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KT being Kitchen Table, a podcast coming soon.Quote:
Told by a very well placed source that Tanak's move to Toyota is a done deal. Tell you why I think it's a bit of a gamble from the KT later
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KT being Kitchen Table, a podcast coming soon.Quote:
Told by a very well placed source that Tanak's move to Toyota is a done deal. Tell you why I think it's a bit of a gamble from the KT later
I´m not sure about later part of season 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Looking forward to fifteen minutes of contradictory waffle.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
KT bingo:
Some speculation about the length of Ott's contract
How will he establish himself between Latvala and Lappi - is he a team leader
When will Latvala retire - is that Ott's big opportunity
The fact that Ott has shown better than Latvala on asphalt this year - the missing piece of Latvala's jigsaw
How big the Toyota budget is
How good a car the Yaris is
How good will the development be next year - is it the best car or have others moved ahead, ie Citroen
What next for MSport - if Seb goes to Citroen who is left on the market
Some speculation about Paddon moving to MSport to partner Evans and Sunninen
Etc. Etc.
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Yes. They made deal for 3 Rallies (ERC+ 2x WRC2)Quote:
Originally Posted by electroliquid
Nothing more at the moment.
But I would give biggest % for M-Sport deal 2018.
Well at least we have some gossip. The Tanak deal was solidified in Spain and Hanninen was dropped unless they run a 4th car. He is said to still do some testing work. Hence why he was emotional at the end of the stage. If that really is the case I sure hope the guy drives his ass off for the next two rallies.
Also could it be that Tanak knows he might be impaired if Ogier stays which seems to be the case and the team is running on a thin budget due to his staying. I wouldn’t want to be in that situation. I would leave to Toyota as well.
There was the earlier rumor that Toyota would have to pay M-Sport a "transfer penalty" of Tänak, that would help them keep Ogier, in addition to having less expensive drivers in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
If this is true it indicates to me that Ogier is a strong possibility to stay at M-Sport as No1 driver. Ott is taking the gamble that equal status in the 'improved' Yaris will give him a better shot at the title than No2 to Seb.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
That would be a good compromise to keep Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Also M-Sport could then concentrate just on him for the driver's title and forget about fighting the factory team's for the Manufacturer's.
Yeah there would be more finance spare if they don't have to pay for both Ogier and Tanak next year, but I don't buy into this rumoured "transfer penalty". How can you have that when Ott's contract is up and he's free to speak to any team he wants? It's not like Toyota have to buy out his existing contract that has x number of years left to run...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Maybe Tanak has insisted on a payment to M-Sport as part of the deal..
I agree about the "transfer penalty". Contract is up and Ott is a free to do whatever the fu@k he wantsQuote:
Originally Posted by er88
So if you switch to a new employer, you ask him to pay something to your former employer because you like him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
There is not doubt Tanak feels bad about leaving Malcom since they have been together for a long time and Malcom has always supported and believed in Ott. But he has to do what is best for him and his family at the end of the day and I'm sure he knows that if Malcom had a choice he would choose Ogier over Ott.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But that's exactly what you just did.......... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rhm
Ha yeah, just for a bit of fun.
I'm trying to guess what will come up in the podcast, any further suggestions?
:P
I mean, obviously, half of the podcast will be about how great Kris Meeke and Citroen were in SpainQuote:
Originally Posted by rhm
Contract made in Spain...Firstly a closelly connected person to Tänak and M-Sport said here already in August or early September that the deal is signed, now all this. :D
Please remind me when Ott was being treated like a clear Nr. 2 driver? Because I haven't seen any team orders in fovour of Ogier this season...
No, but Tanak could play hardball and say he will stay at M-Sport unless Toyota pay a fee. After all there is no shortage of money in Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Yeah, WRC contracts are made over a weekend, it's a quick job, just write a paper, two copies, one for the team and one for the driver, both sign, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Wishful thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Please remind me of a reason when team orders needed to be given thus far?Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
Just a theory to make sense of the rumour.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Not always.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
As has been explained before, it's not unusual to have ongoing rights over future earnings.
It's well know that Neuville had to spend the first couple of years of Hyundai money paying back Malcolm and Nasser for his year in the Qatar car.
It's well assumed that Malcolm has such rights for Tanak too. For sure he's pumped enough money in to him over the years...
Well, Neuville was a different case, as he had a valid contract. Tänak said his will end with 2017 and he would be free to do what he likes.
As Tarmop said, Nueville was still under contract. Tanak is considered a "free agent".Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Also a good blog post by Finnish motorsport journalist Miika Wuorela https://www.facebook.com/mwmsports/p...82681151931491
The silly season does not want to quit, that's for sure. If Ogier goes to Hyundai what happens to Sordo and Paddon? Maybe someone gets demoted to WRC2 duties? Do Paddon and Sordo share the 4th car where Sordo drives on tarmac and Hayden on gravel?
If Citroen aren't willing to put up the money for Seb they shouldn't have let Andreas go to Hyundai. Risky game to play once again by Matton.
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If Ogier goes to Hyundai and Tanak to Toyota we will have a 2 team championship... that's not good at all.
It all depends what deal he's signed with Wilson. Don't forget Ott would likely not be in the WRC right now if not for Malcolm. Look how many chances he gave him and how much work he's put into Ott's career. He's also a shrewd businessman so it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's written into Ott's past contracts that MW will take a cut of future earnings.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
You get the same thing in football all the time with sell-on clauses. I have no idea whether this is true but I mentioned it on the forum about Ott a couple of weeks ago.
Correct Simmi. It's like a youth footballer being developed by a small club then a big one comes in and gets all the benefit.
Why would M-Sport bother developing young driver's just for rich teams to pinch them for free...
http://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/tana...as?id=79785120
So, what does Tänak exactly say in the ending of his blog post? Something like "the Estonian media makes jokes about my future but I'll continue in the best team next year"? What does that mean?
Tänak said that Estonian media picks up tweets (and also forum talk :D) too easily and presents them like 100% truth. He also said that he will join /continue in the strongest team, some little details to be cleared before announcing. So...is Toyota really the strongest team and being upset with those tweets that put him in the Toyota. I think there`s something else.:D
Best/Strongest team by results right now is clearly M-Sport.... even without the "continue" part.
Haha, the plot thickens! Whatever happens this is a fun silly season, for those who know what's going to happen and for those who don't.
Strongest financially, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
:D Maybe, but I don`t think this is the case atm. A little mistake by me actually, he said "the best" not "the strongest". And being a M-sport employee, which is quite comfortabely in the lead of both championships, I don`t think that any other team could be called "the best" atm...maybe Citroen will take next year with ease? Who knows, it`s possible, but imo a bit unreliable cars that are 3. and 4. in the championship can`t be considered the best even now, let alone in the future.
This is exacty what he says, nothing else .Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
what does he mean with it? only he knows.
Well he didn't mention much about Meeke surprisingly. Mainly about Ott and Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
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One of the interesting things Colin mentioned was the thought of Ogier waiting to see how the Citroen does in GB before closing his deal.
He also mentions Tanak having a hard time at TGR since they're an all Finn team and he is Estonian. I'm not sure this would be the case, but who knows.