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i suggest you do not confuse movies with real life kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Thank you movie star.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You want make Hyundai and Citroën change their stance anyway, so You'd better get used to the reality instead of writing walls of text about how coward they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
... and you think I'm still hoping for VW? Sometime "Stupid is NOT as stupid does".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Thoroughly bizarre reaction to this on the forum. These guys are running multi-million pound WRC teams. Not charities. Like NOT says this is real life - not some idealistic alternate universe.
I said it before, if Citroen or whoever beat this VW then people will say "you beat a privateer, who cares". But if they lose the whole thing switches around and they give huge PR to a rival manufacturer who paid a fraction of what you did. They also have to explain to their bosses why they got beaten by a team they allowed in. They have nothing at all to gain from a private VW being in the championship, except in the eyes of a few hardcore rally fans.
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Unfortunately, that's what happens when modern rulesets rely on the manufacturer paying a fee to allow their car to be eligible for a specific series. In circuit racing, IMSA and the WEC has a similar issue on a smaller scale, where you can't run your car without paying a hefty fee to the organisers (and that's on top of the original homologation fee).
Unfortunately, building an eligible car is no longer enough. Pity for us as fans, but you can hardly blame them.
I hope a compromise can be reached, but I won't hold my breath.
Simmi, Whether my comments are real or not is anyone's guess, but gon't forget that we have NO NO PASS YES.
Are Ford and Toyota living in the Wonderland too?
I think you're making too much out of one journalist's piece. What these teams say in public is only a small percentage of the real story. Malcolm hasn't gone on record so there's nothing to say. You can't include Ford in your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Toyota know they are probably not on the ultimate pace this year. If Tommi thought they could win rallies maybe his tune would change. Maybe it's beneficial to him to be on the good side of EVEN. Who knows?
You can see it otherwise. This short “private” VW programme isn’t that far away from past rules exceptions like last year Citroen campaign or the first Mini season. Besides, current rules are way to strict for rally car homologation, including WRC’s, and this could be a fine opportunity for FIA to review them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Anyway, I’m disappointed to see that most criticism comes form brand x or y fans, unable to see WRC bigger interest and that this VW Motorsport attempt could be the ticket to get 5 manus next year…
its not the same as Citroens previous year.Is totally different with a car which was already homologated,and asked for 1 year off with limited program through PHsport to prepare for 2017.
That's fine, but was it "fair" against other competitors?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Rules are rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
You just mention a rule exception...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
yes because the rules allowed it...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
FIA is the the judge here and they allowed it, so yes, it was "fair".Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
for a manufacture that is loyal to wrc for more than 10 years,for an already homologated car,to continue their programm for plenty years more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Tottaly different situation from vw.
Vw could easily spent the millions to homologate the car,and wouldn't be any problem for a team with enough foundings to participate.
but they wanted to homologate the 2017 car with foundings from some team/driver like Mikkelsen etc.
No its not fair to participate at wrc level, while you are the biggest manufacture ,without spending any money.
They are, but doesn't mean they are always fair. Citroen had limited program, VW wants the same this year, I don't see a difference in "fairness".Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
pay 15 millions to homologate the car.All the others have paid it.All the other cars are homologated and paided.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Nobody asked to participate WITHOUT HOMOLOGATION.
I don't know what's still here to discuss. Rules don't allow homologation of a wrc car without factory team commitment unless all teams agree to grant an exception. That obviously didn't happen. End of the story.
Besides that I am quite sure that the exception would be granted if there was a meaningful program with strong private team, i.e. Jipocar (if Prokop tells the truth). Some 2-3 events with one car is obviously not the case.
Of course not, that's not comparable at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Obviously I don't understand something. Isn't there going NOT to be a homolagation for the Polo if they allow it to participate?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
What did I said:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MirekOf course not, that's not comparable at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
They would give a car to Mikkelsen, who would pay and drive a few times, nothing about returning next season. Like I once said, they clearly stated they were finished and 2017 Polo will never compete, especially as a privateer`s car. It`s inappropriate, not to mention the fact what they said about Citroen last year, whose DS3 was an old car from a company with long rally traditions and who promised that they will return full-time in 2017. Mini also promised to do a full season but as for VW, they haven`t promised anything and those 2-3 events aren`t worth the trouble for everyone else.
And no, i wasn`t happy about them leaving in the first place.
everything is explained .Read again.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
You claim never happened a manufacturer to have limited program before they are fully engaged the following year in wrc? Oh dear, oh dear:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But.... if VW won't continue in 2018 as full entry, I am totally speechless then....
Looking at the rate of different scandals still rising, i doubt it. Only if Nasser or some other rich person rents them.
you forget for 3rd time that polo is NOT HOMOLOGATED.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
So yes never again any manufacture asked to run a non homologated car.
that's good to keep speechless.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
you do realise there are professionals out there that can help you right ? we are not in the 20s anymore....Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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you don't have to worry about that. Silence is gold:champion: But don't be greedy, it's not literal. May be I'll tell You some day, if You behave, may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The Polo technical homologation was done; only FIA/WRC administrative requirements won’t allow it to be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Btw, the Mini was homologated on condition BMW/Mini would run a full season the year after. We all know that FIA permitted an irregular move from BMW to get another team than Prodrive to run officially the Minis after MC. The solution was Araujo private entry (alongside Nobre), run by Motorsport Italia team, otherwise the car homologation would be cancelled (and private owners would be forced to sue BMW).
It doesn’t seem ‘unfair’ to get that kind of conditional homologation for the ’17 Polo. If next year VW doesn’t run it, homologation should be cancelled and the car put on the museum. Meanwhile fans would get the chance to see it in action and maybe (yep, that’s a huge maybe) VW could reconsider their rashly decided pull out.
VW clearly didn't want to continue (or pay for anything in wrc for now). If some privateer serve the money - ok no problem, if not, let it be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Don't bother, pitty or NOT.
Whoever in VW decided to withdraw winning car from WRC is a moron. This is not cost saving, it's a waste of spent money. I really hope they reconsider it for 2018.
BTW, does anyone know why VW didn't withdraw from Rallycross?
After Dieselgate VW is going to towards renewable energy, electric cars and competitons. It's quite obvious now. We can always wish for them to come back but the possibility is slim. I'ts a political decision to clear their face after this dieselgate farce.
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Does it really need explaining for the thousandth time that their withdrawal had nothing to do with cost-saving.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
RX is not a factory programQuote:
Originally Posted by jparker
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There we go - official confirmation that the Polo won't compete this year - http://www.autosport.com/news/report...mpeting-in-wrc
perhaps its time to reconsider this whole homologation thing. although there might have been good reason for it originally, it just has gotten out hand.
there should be a book of rules, an every car that complies with those rules should be able to compete. its just nonsense that only official car manufacturers can build a car.
fia is complicated political body
It was never going to happen. Hope this is the end the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Pity some people couldn't understand what this discussion was all about.
Strictly business is not enough to get admired.