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3rd October 2015, 23:46
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by JTGANG

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/octob...9--12-12-.html

Ogier is not helping VW in these hard times, or it is Ingrassia?!?
3rd October 2015, 23:48
stefanvv

Watching highlights now seems Kubica is right - rim just couldn't hold on (from what they showed)
3rd October 2015, 23:49
Simmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by spark13

So what exactly has he achieved?
5 or 6 SS wins and a record of DNF in the season.
I think some other drivers could be much more successfull in this if they want to, or if the budget let them to.
Kris Meek would for example=)
Don't get me wrong I like Kubica but..... let's state the facts he is hottlapper, on a short distance, thats not a rally driver should be.

He isn't taking a car off someone more worthy though is he. So why is any of that relevant? He can spend his money (or his sponsors' money) wherever he wants - he chooses to do it in WRC. Same thing with Prokop who campaigns for years but never improves. It's his decision.
4th October 2015, 00:10
spark13

Yes he isn't.
I was referring to the statement of the many Kubica fans that RK is on the lerning curve and he will be equal to the top drivers when he will get the experience.
I think he won't,like for example Evgeny Novikov wasn't.
They are kind of similar for me for been both quick on a short distance but in the ditch for a long.
I think every driver in wrc could be flat out mode for win one stage and retire in the next one. That's not a big thing. Even Elfin Evans=)
But to compete on the regular basis needs something more than that.
Sorry for my "ingrish" I couldn't explain my thoughts better.
4th October 2015, 00:18
stefanvv

spark13, Your English is good enough to write Your location right....
4th October 2015, 00:34
rallyfun

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Originally Posted by focus206

He doesn't need to be a WRC driver to judge Kubica's performance, discussion forums wouldn't exist otherwise. I think only blind fanboys deny the fact that Robert has a huge problem controlling his speed and crashes way too much, even more than Raikkonen, Block, Duval, Latvala or who else.

He doesn't judge his performance but "analyzing" mistakes, failures, bad luck or whatever else from behind the screen of his computer. But the most important thing is he judges him equally with rally drivers with years of experience. It's not right is it? Even if you don't appreciate the progress, speed, stage wins on all surface etc. RK has achieved, you need to realize that he has less than three years of experience in rallies at all. Not mention about his limitation. It's funny how some trolls expect miracles and people from WRC (drivers, experts, team bosses) respect what RK has been doing. Paddon said in interview that it took him all his career to get that speed that RK already had when he joined WRC, and all he needs is experience that you can get over years. That sums up all discussion.
4th October 2015, 00:44
rallyfun

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

I think for Kubica is a good time to say goodbye to the sport...

No one cares what you think
4th October 2015, 01:23
focus206

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Originally Posted by rallyfun

He doesn't judge his performance but "analyzing" mistakes, failures, bad luck or whatever else from behind the screen of his computer. But the most important thing is he judges him equally with rally drivers with years of experience. It's not right is it? Even if you don't appreciate the progress, speed, stage wins on all surface etc. RK has achieved, you need to realize that he has less than three years of experience in rallies at all. Not mention about his limitation. It's funny how some trolls expect miracles and people from WRC (drivers, experts, team bosses) respect what RK has been doing. Paddon said in interview that it took him all his career to get that speed that RK already had when he joined WRC, and all he needs is experience that you can get over years. That sums up all discussion.

Well, we should wait AL14 to speak for himself, but I doubt he expects Kubica to be as fast as top WRC drivers. Kubica isn't a bad driver, absolutely, he's good. And he does have raw speed, otherwise no stage wins. What we're saying here is that he should have a different approach to his rallies, he can't go full attack from the beginning to the end, especially when he has - as you said - not much experience. What can he achieve like that? A WRC2 title against Al Kuwari, and that's it. So yes, he achieved that, but if he wants to achieve anything in the WRC like that, he's wasting his time (he can spends his money how he wants of course, but judging from interviews he's really not satisfied on how this year went, is he?)
What you call "miracles" that people here and trolls expect, it's actually first finish some rallies without major mistakes. The progress? I see no progress since last year. And unless he gets a really lucky rally, he won't progress.
4th October 2015, 01:32
AL14

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Originally Posted by rallyfun

hey rally expert how many stages have you win in WRC or how many teams did you manage that you can judge pro driver?

How many do you?
4th October 2015, 01:33
AL14

Quote:

Originally Posted by focus206

Well, we should wait AL14 to speak for himself, but I doubt he expects Kubica to be as fast as top WRC drivers. Kubica isn't a bad driver, absolutely, he's good. And he does have raw speed, otherwise no stage wins. What we're saying here is that he should have a different approach to his rallies, he can't go full attack from the beginning to the end, especially when he has - as you said - not much experience. What can he achieve like that? A WRC2 title against Al Kuwari, and that's it. So yes, he achieved that, but if he wants to achieve anything in the WRC like that, he's wasting his time (he can spends his money how he wants of course, but judging from interviews he's really not satisfied on how this year went, is he?)
What you call "miracles" that people here and trolls expect, it's actually first finish some rallies without major mistakes. The progress? I see no progress since last year. And unless he gets a really lucky rally, he won't progress.

Don't bother trying to explain them good sense. They wouldn't understand.
4th October 2015, 01:43
itix

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Most people do agree with you... I don't understand how FIA and the promotor allow these kind of things, like a rally with only 9 stages... 2 are cancelled and now we end up with some kind of rally-sprint. The stages are longer, but for the fans (both at home and on stages) it's nicer to follow events that have more (shorter) stages...

I think that adding a short blast through a late evening stage today and some short stage in between these long stages really wouldn't have hurt. I like the fact that they try to do a rally with mainly long stages. It is a good idea and it is a good flirt with the past but seriously, a few shorties in between wouldn't have hurt!
4th October 2015, 01:49
thuGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by focus206

Well, we should wait AL14 to speak for himself, but I doubt he expects Kubica to be as fast as top WRC drivers. Kubica isn't a bad driver, absolutely, he's good. And he does have raw speed, otherwise no stage wins. What we're saying here is that he should have a different approach to his rallies, he can't go full attack from the beginning to the end, especially when he has - as you said - not much experience. What can he achieve like that? A WRC2 title against Al Kuwari, and that's it. So yes, he achieved that, but if he wants to achieve anything in the WRC like that, he's wasting his time (he can spends his money how he wants of course, but judging from interviews he's really not satisfied on how this year went, is he?)
What you call "miracles" that people here and trolls expect, it's actually first finish some rallies without major mistakes. The progress? I see no progress since last year. And unless he gets a really lucky rally, he won't progress.

The fact is, that this season he isn't always 100% pushing, the fact is that he makes way less mistakes that last year, but still that's not enough. Even when problems are not his cause, people blame him, because it's Kubica, he must have done something.
I think he will quit rallying after this season.
4th October 2015, 01:49
danon

http://s5.postimg.org/fm1kqajt3/123.jpg
4th October 2015, 01:56
Mk2 RS2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by spark13

So what exactly has he achieved?
5 or 6 SS wins and a record of DNF in the season.
I think some other drivers could be much more successfull in this if they want to, or if the budget let them to.
Kris Meek would for example=)
Don't get me wrong I like Kubica but..... let's state the facts he is hottlapper, on a short distance, thats not a rally driver should be.

Old Red Indian proverb. “Never criticize the speed of a fellow brave until you have run to the mountains in his moccasins”
4th October 2015, 03:05
N.O.T

Kubica should stay home next year and if possible for the rest of the year as well... he is nothing.
4th October 2015, 04:19
itix

From a neutral standpoint I prefer him to Prokop... and especially that Khaled dude who gets beaten by RC3 and RC2 cars... I mean come fucking on! I could probably do better with no experience.
Sure, Kubi is not someone that I would like to follow as a fan because it would be very frustrating seeing him in the ditch always. As a team boss I would probably be equally frustrated by him as I would be by having Meeke that everyone is vouching for but who is crashing about the same amount with more experience. However, I like the fact that occasionally, and especially on tarmac, there is someone taking the fight to the VW's and topping the stage times and often that has been Kubica, also on this rally.

Also you have to admit that the videos of him driving the stages are fun to watch. No grandma driving there.
4th October 2015, 05:21
Toyoda

Nothing wrong with Kubica in the wrc, more cars, more fun. Especially one that can snaffle best ss times.
4th October 2015, 06:20
wrchirek

Kubica should go to WTCC, and Loeb back to WRC. Win-win.
4th October 2015, 07:32
dimviii

Good morning guys!

Sun 07:31 - Weather
A cloudy start in Ajaccio, but it should be a decent, dry, day here. The current temperature of 19ºC is expected to hit 24ºC this afternoon. WRC TV crews report that SS7 is damp in places after light rain overnight.
4th October 2015, 07:45
dimviii

MICHELIN Motorsport ‏@michelin_sport

#tyre information: All #Michelin drivers with 4 Michelin Pilot Sport H ard + 2Soft except
VW: 4S+2H
Evans: 3H+3S
4th October 2015, 08:38
satukata

WRC+ livemaps not working today?
4th October 2015, 08:45
wwbroe

Back to usual Volkswagen dominance. Hope Evans can manage to stay in front of Mikkelsen.
4th October 2015, 08:48
satukata

WRC+ livemaps not working today?
4th October 2015, 08:49
wwbroe

What happened with Kremer on SS7?
4th October 2015, 08:50
wwbroe

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Originally Posted by satukata

WRC+ livemaps not working today?

I don't know, i cancelled my deal with them, because it never works well, allways some kind of problems.
4th October 2015, 08:51
satukata

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Originally Posted by wwbroe

What happened with Kremer on SS7?

offroad. :(
4th October 2015, 09:05
thuGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

Kubica should stay home next year and if possible for the rest of the year as well... he is nothing.

Thankfully he doesn't have that loser mentality that you poses.
4th October 2015, 09:09
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by thuGG

Thankfully he doesn't have that loser mentality that you poses.

he has the mentality of an insane person though.. he does the same thing over and over again and he expects different result each time...

and in motorsport that is quite dangerous.
4th October 2015, 09:09
satukata

wrc+ livemaps not working?

i´m not sure is it my computer or wrc+ problem?
4th October 2015, 09:12
thuGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

he has the mentality of an insane person though.. he does the same thing over and over again and he expects different result each time...

and in motorsport that is quite dangerous.

I'm pretty sure he knows motorsport better that you ever could.
4th October 2015, 09:16
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by thuGG

I'm pretty sure he knows motorsport better that you ever could.

he knows it form a different perspective though, and his results so far show he is not that good and a danger, and to be honest i do not care much what happens to him rather what implications will have to the sport.
4th October 2015, 09:23
thuGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

he knows it form a different perspective though, and his results so far show he is not that good and a danger, and to be honest i do not care much what happens to him rather what implications will have to the sport.

Oh stop this danger BS, tell me how many crashes there is throughout the season and how many Kubica contributed? I bet it would be small percentage, that's rallying many drivers crashes. And don't kid me, you'd be happy if Kubica killed himself, judging by your posts.
4th October 2015, 09:30
EightGear

Abbring off....
4th October 2015, 09:32
stefanvv

Abbring off the road, crew ok. Pity so close to a very good result
4th October 2015, 09:32
wwbroe

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Originally Posted by EightGear

Abbring off....

That's not so good, he is continuing or off definitive?
4th October 2015, 09:33
EightGear

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwbroe

That's not so good, he is continuing or off definitive?

Retired, what a shame.
4th October 2015, 09:33
bowler

N.O.T you are out of line with such a comment.
4th October 2015, 09:34
wwbroe

Evans doens't look good on first splits, he is allready 10 sec slower as Mikkelsen
4th October 2015, 09:35
EstWRC

Tänak again sayin that he had no information from gravel crew, was a bit of angry. SOme dude here didnt believe me yesterday.
4th October 2015, 09:36
wwbroe

Very good pace by Sordo, faster trough then Ogier

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