Wrc Rally Argentina 2013

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

I prefer seperate onboard videos, I have only two eyes and I can watch only one image at once.

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No way, friend :) split screen on boards are where it's at!

Imo lovers of good competition (like myself) don't watch wrc anymore to see who wins, the winners nowadays are pretty predictable. If its not a seb then it's probably no one.
lovers of competition want to see FIGHTING. For example, this rally it would have been Novikov vs Latvala, if they did this as a split screen, I would probably purposely not look at the stage times results and wait for the split screen vs video to show up online. That would suit me fine :D

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

Could be the scouts, strategs, higher officers, even the supplying crew.

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Wrong, the man behind the gun.

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Originally Posted by tfp

Dont listen to him, he doesn't mean it really :D

We need more like this, just have a split screen and get rid of the view of the drivers please. And the split times in the top right corner, thanks :p

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I've never seen Seven Samurai and The Magnificent Seven at the same time. I haven't either heard Like a Rolling Stone by Dylan and the version by The Rolling Stones together. :p
After Portugal, three full onboards were published. I've watched Al-Attiyah's one through Santa da Serra several times. When I'm watching it, I don't need a split screen. What for? After some minutes the cars are at different points of the stage, there's nothing to compare. On the contrary, you can see the two others of Novikov and Mikkelsen through Loule separatedly. To me, it's better to compare watching one following the other. You can remember the mistakes Novikov had, where Mikkelsen pushed more than Evgeny, the different corrections of the co-drivers, etc. To me, an ideal situation would be to watch uploaded at least a pair of full onboards from each stage.
If we go further, to the classical onboards, it isn't needed a split screen when you are watching a McRae's onboard :) .

I also think split onboards have value. On this one above for example Novikov pulls ahead at the beginning, afterwards it is Ostberg who takes the advantage and you can see exactly how that happened. Of course it doesn't makes sense these to be between very fast and very slow drivers, but drivers whoi are in competition between each other, like Latvala and Novikov on last day or Loeb and Ogier at SS8 for example.

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Originally Posted by skarderud

Good question. Jml has the speed, Mads too.

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Maybe on gravel.
For a real competition we need complex drivers...professionals, who are quick on any surface.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Well, I have nothing against Loeb personally, just think the greatness of his results is bigger than his actual greatness. Anyway 3 beers for Ogier in France. Even if I loose, which I doubt, I'll enjoy the show they'll bring :D

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ok 3 beers for France.You can sent me from tomorrow :D

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

unbelievable, how many loeb fans popped up AFTER he suddenly appeared on first place, it was very very quiet here from monaco until that moment .must have been some very tough, frustrating months :) ))))

but the elders said it: what grows quickly, crumbles even more quickly :D

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i don t know about who are the Master fans you reffering that had dissapeared,but i had wrote to you several times that he will ridicule him.
Wait to see France the right difference.
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Originally Posted by dimviii

i had wrote to you several times that he will ridicule him.[/IMG]

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You can write whatever you want, I will not bother with you anymore. I would rather spend my time in some local football forum with bonehead teenagers. My mistake to overrate you but I will not repeat it.

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

You can write whatever you want, I will not bother with you anymore. I would rather spend my time in some local football forum with bonehead teenagers. My mistake to overrate you but I will not repeat it.

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trying to avoid just 3 beers? :(
pitty that you haven t got the balls to bet against a lucky semiretired driver at his last rally. :(



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Guys, could You please stop quoting Slowson? It ruins the function of ignore list...

Nice to see the ds3 is not totally outpaced by the polo and hope the ford will came back to their pace of the begining of the saison.

Good job Loeb, even sligthly outpaced at the beginning he never give up and it pays.

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Originally Posted by Puyan

Good job Loeb, even sligthly outpaced at the beginning he never give up and it pays.

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Now this is one very accurate conclusion :up:

Problem is not with Ford. Simple boys in Ford are not very to drive in this level....

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Originally Posted by Puyan

Nice to see the ds3 is not totally outpaced by the polo and hope the ford will came back to their pace of the begining of the saison.

Good job Loeb, even sligthly outpaced at the beginning he never give up and it pays.

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Originally Posted by faateris

Problem is not with Ford. Simple boys in Ford are not very to drive in this level....

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Disagree. The Ford boys have enough pace but have to be more strategic and also need cars that not fall apart.

Guys talk like you have not been following rally for years.. we are not comparing cars here.. i think the cars have a good pace overall. its the drivers.. before the cars break down we see how fast the drivers are. Ford.. Novikov's car didnt fall apart. citroen did not outpace VW is loeb who got lucky.. if it wasnt for the mud.. come on guys we know how it would have panned out. lets wait and see whats next coming. and stop arguing like its Football..

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Disagree. The Ford boys have enough pace but have to be more strategic and also need cars that not fall apart.

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They have the pace but they don't have the experience and aren't consistent enough yet. That should come with time, if your name isn't Jari-Matti. :D The cars don't fall apart by themselves... If Ford can keep their drivers (Ostberg-Novikov-Neuville) for next year, I think they have a brighter future than Citroën... :)

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Sebastien Ogier/ Full Onboard SS04 - WRC Philips LED Rally Argentina 2013 - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Sebastien Ogier/ Full Onboard SS04 - WRC Philips LED Rally Argentina 2013 - YouTube

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This is the stage where he took seconds out of everyone else in the last split.

A few times an elaborate editing (and the addition of music) makes a rallying video better. This is by far one of them.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Disagree. The Ford boys have enough pace but have to be more strategic and also need cars that not fall apart.

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What he said.

To save money this season MW has Ostbergs car held togethor not with nuts and bolts, but with super glue. That's why his fiesta keeps falling apart :D

we need another rally like Mexico except without the break downs, then we can see properly what Mad Mads can do.

Is there any link for days 2 and 3 highlights of Rally Argentina?

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Originally Posted by Co-driven

Is there any link for days 2 and 3 highlights of Rally Argentina?

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Scroll down and choose: WRC

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Originally Posted by tfp

What he said.

To save money this season MW has Ostbergs car held togethor not with nuts and bolts, but with super glue. That's why his fiesta keeps falling apart :D

we need another rally like Mexico except without the break downs, then we can see properly what Mad Mads can do.

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what a stupid comment , so portugal a roll and hit a massive rock in argentina ? and mexico was an alternator failure ,

the poor lad has no luck

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premiership loeb , ogier

div 1 ostberg , mikko , jari

div 2 the rest

Falling apart doesn´t literally mean they brake down in peaces, just meaning they break down for example alternator failures, steering arms (for how many times now?), engine modes etz.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Falling apart doesn´t literally mean they brake down in peaces, just meaning they break down for example alternator failures, steering arms (for how many times now?), engine modes etz.

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when the driver presses the button by mistake and runs in a lesser agressive map it very easy to blame others but you guys no best as always

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Confirms only that Loeb's still good.
World Rally Championship - News - Matton: ‘Argentina win confirms DS3 progress’

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Originally Posted by adr17

when the driver presses the button by mistake and runs in a lesser agressive map it very easy to blame others but you guys no best as always

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If you say so. I only saw Evgeni saying after the stage, he was mad at car just going on road-mode. If it was "sh*t behind wheel" that was a bad example of Fiesta falling "apart".

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Confirms only that Loeb's still good.
World Rally Championship - News - Matton: ‘Argentina win confirms DS3 progress’

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Just waiting for the fight in NORF between Mikko and JML and Ogier... (and Ostberg, and Novi, and...)

Ogier will win ... Not that i'm happy about, but i'm sure he will.

And Ford thought all these years that they had an inferior car to Citroen. All they had was inferior drivers.

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Originally Posted by Kuningas

And Ford thought all these years that they had an inferior car to Citroen. All they had was inferior drivers.

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They never thought that they had an inferior car... You think they thought... ;)

JML & Hirvonen did not fail vs Loeb, vs Citroen only.
They failed to become professional WRC drivers. To become professional, who is competitive on all surfaces...
In the WRC, where the main threat is a complex pro' driver(s) who is fast everywhere.

Those drivers, who spent 2-3 full-seasons in WRC without real progress on tarmac, those are non-professionals or talentless.
JML & Hirvonen? 8-10 years in the WRC in work's cars...
Real pro's, real talents became competitive on tarmac very soon in their career - like Mr. Makinen. He was untouchable in the French Alps, he was really competitive in Spain, on San-Remo's asphalt etc.

Please, determine JML's work on tarmac as WRC driver:
Last year he had some nice(?) results on tarmac, after 8 years in WRC. Suddenly he can learn? What he did for 8 years? Professional work, hahhh...

This is the basic problem in the WRC. 'only-gravel-boys' in work's cars for a decade...

What a "boludo" is, no doubt, many people agree :p .

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More clearly: https://www.facebook.com/video/embed...80213282010388
"That happens to you because you are a "boludo" :D .

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Originally Posted by RobertS

JML & Hirvonen did not fail vs Loeb, vs Citroen only.
They failed to become professional WRC drivers. To become professional, who is competitive on all surfaces...
In the WRC, where the main threat is a complex pro' driver(s) who is fast everywhere.

Those drivers, who spent 2-3 full-seasons in WRC without real progress on tarmac, those are non-professionals or talentless.
JML & Hirvonen? 8-10 years in the WRC in work's cars...
Real pro's, real talents became competitive on tarmac very soon in their career - like Mr. Makinen. He was untouchable in the French Alps, he was really competitive in Spain, on San-Remo's asphalt etc.

Please, determine JML's work on tarmac as WRC driver:
Last year he had some nice(?) results on tarmac, after 8 years in WRC. Suddenly he can learn? What he did for 8 years? Professional work, hahhh...

This is the basic problem in the WRC. 'only-gravel-boys' in work's cars for a decade...

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OK. I know your quote is only to get people angry, without no reason. Because the quote says only BS.

How about tarmac-boys not able to drive on gravel? Are they professionals, or not?

There´s only a couple of drivers who is top drivers on all surfaces. But still there´s much more drivers that are professionals.