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Ogier is better driver than all the rest?
Loeb did it too. When Loeb used the DS the performance is better, the car is not the same of Ostberg, Meeke, Hirvonen, etc etc?
Ogier is regular faster without mistakes, the others need force to try the same.
Or you think Bertelli start winning rallies if used VW? ;)
Seriously I know what you mean and I agree. But I think Bertelli doing good, not that he´ll be WDC but he might improve slowly having done more and more rallies. (one should have in mind the speed it´s about and what car it is and he manages it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Hej Pelle, you were there and I know you are/were 'noraml' National class or Grupp H type guy and you know that is my real interest but OK this is WRC forum but there were F-cup cars and I'm wondering if you saw any, and what you thought...It seems the naught f-cup guys lines were making Ogier cry... Now I'd love to see SS times for all the other guys who don't show up on WRC results....but those Finns discriminate against the Swedish speaking citizens of their own country and I guess they don't want us to see cause I can't results anywhere---same like every year..
Any observations?
Any tips to link to F-cup or vetomies??
A general question..What do people think of this whole "Drive D-mack Cup" thing? Does it have any interest or is it just yet another made up thing to funnel money to Malcolm Wilson pockets?
I ask because in last couple of years we've seen a few very brave (well rich) North Americans go and do some rounds and the results have been very politely put extremely "modest" within the class and overall...
And they have been among the quickest guys here and do top3-4 overall... so big contrast..
Anybody see them? Any thoughts?
I´m on my way to Finland again (!) and this time it´s with wife , grown up children and grand children. Not so far only to the island Åland (Ahvenmaa) but still, we´re gonna do tenting for five days. So - I hope Teemu, you know him, could give a link to results for Vetomies. Sorry to say they just did drive through the only time I had chance to see them . That was on Päijälä, because of accident with car #94.
Seriously I don´t think times can be measured between them all. teemu knows more, but from the videos I´ve seen afterwards the guy with red 240 seems wild and crazy enough...
And maybe watch the thread National rallies.
If no results I´ll promise to try next week when everything settles after a busy summer...
Regards
Pelle (how did you know I´ve been called Pelle since six yrs old?)
Rally Finland is spreading out on all threads, but here's a link to Vetomies results: http://www.vetomiehet.fi/tulokset
Nelivetomies = 4WD, so look at Vetomies on the right instead. I havent't yet compared the times with WRC field, but I should. Looked like at least on Ouninpohja the fastest 2WD driver came from WRC3 lot.
I like DDFT, DMack Trophy that is. This year it's a handful of fast drivers and they seemed to compete, so it's always good for spectating. While spectating live, Dmack drivers also spiced up the atmosphere a bit, because they come late in the field, drive notably faster than few dozen before them, come with one minute interval - and this year - have a silly sounding cars.
I think the proof is in the pudding. Ok, the VW might be marginally faster than the rest but how many times have the other two golden boys beaten Ogier on pure speed......erm pretty much just Latavala, in Finland, his home rally.
Ogier is fastest, and more consistent by some margin. The case was the same for Loeb, who coincidentally has realised that he couldn't match Ogier now because of the slight pace difference in the DS3 and Polo, due to Citroens lack of commitment because they have realised they cant recruit a driver capable of victory.
MW interview on next Season: http://progressive.laola1.at/wrc/pod...LSON_GER15.mp3
Is it time to revive this thread ? If Malcom is talking about getting rid of the two drivers who he has ...who is going to fill the seats ?
Lappi ? Tidemand ? Meeke ?Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_tiger
I have no idea... and i think MW too :
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I think it depends on what strategy Citroen take.
Yes, a not wery wild guess is that driver Citroën don't want drives a Ford next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
If the alternative is to be John Desbourough's guest for live stages on WRC+ I think they will chose Ford with a big smile on their facesQuote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Yeah I could easily see Ostberg back in a Ford replacing Tanak and the whole cycle starts again. Expecting different results but the same thing happens again.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I know they don't really have the funding but it would be nice to see M-Sport back a young driver like they did for Elfyn. Maybe if the rumours about Dmack become fact they could dip into that pool of young drivers.
M-Sport will probably end up with whoever is left when the other factory teams have had their pick ...
Ostberg or Meeke would be ok as they have had some decent performances in 2015 and are experienced. Sordo I cant see at Ford and Neuville is not much of an option given his recent form.
My money would be on M-Sport keeping their current drivers, or maybe swapping one for a young gun.
And I'd love to see Lukyanuk given a chance.
HAHAHAHAHA, I love this comment so much!Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Also, taking from the experienced pool is probably not wise. I suggest going for young blood as always. Swedish rally media reports that Tidemand will be joining Skoda for WRC 2 next year so I guess he hasn't got any interesting in his inbox this autumn... Lappi maybe (but you'd be an idiot to go with Lappi... I am 100% in agreement with Mirek there).
Maybe some complete outsider like Lukyanuk (although I think malcolm has had enough russian vodka after Novikov) or Breen or something like that...
Who knows... in January we'll know for sure.
Does MW fund one of the two drivers himself? I thought both has to bring money on their own, right? If so Ostberg and Tanak next year. I don´t see Evans staying. And Ostberg stays at Citroen if they continues, is my bet. Then if MW funds one driver it could be - eeh... Bergkvist???
No forgot, he will surely do WRC2 one year first.
Recent article from the BBC on M-Sport: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motorsport/33802840
Do the MSport drivers really have to pay or do they just get no salary?
If Malcolm was looking for a driver to show more speed with the Fiesta i'm not sure Ostberg is the right man. I suppose Meeke might prefer to keep his connections to Citroen though even if it means fewer rounds in 2016.
Dont know about Evans but Tänak/Mõlder get no salary from m-sport, they get it from their sponsors.
And i agree about Ostberg, if Malcolm wants to know the true speed of the Fiesta then he wont know it with Ostberg/Evans line-up.
Wilson knows the pace of the Fiesta.
The way he's less and less politically correct if not litteraly pi$$ed off in interviews telling journos he'd win rallies with Ogier or that he'd change the line up if he had money is a clear indication.
According to the Norwegian media Mads is concerned at M Sport in 16. But I doubt that this is 100%. I would think that Mads would take this as a set back vs a true factory team like Citroen, even tough their effort has been greatly reduced since the Loeb era.
What Wilson says about Fiesta's pace is clearly a strategy.He is trying to bring on sponsors and getting Ford to give him more money.His logic is "Give me money,I will bring on a fast driver and we will go for the championship".Maybe Abu Dhabi will return as they dont have Citroen anymore and that will tempt Ford to give Wilson the official capacity again.He may as well partner with DMack.
It`s been suggested before here in these forums but no way will M-sport partner with Dmack at least not for the official WRC campaign, if they change from Michelin the only other option is PirelliQuote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Anyone have doubts if Ogier goes to M-Sport, they win? The car is not so bad. The differences between drivers is more than between cars
Wilson has plenty of money. Do you have any idea how much M-Sport makes? It is an exceedingly profitable enterprise. Malcolm just does not appear to be willing to use any of that money to pay for a decent driver line-up, or even a single decent driver, for reasons best known to himself. It's strange to me, because he took Malcolm Wilson Motorsport from a pretty good national level customer prep outfit, to a world class rally team, with world class facilities at Dovenby, but doesn't seem to be willing to invest in the most crucial aspect, now that the full manufacturer backing is gone. His attitude, at least as far as the driver line up is concerned, seems to be, "build it and they will come". The problem is, no-one is coming, partly, at least in my opinion, because M-Sport's results have been so mediocre, which could be changed with a halfway decent driver, assuming the Fiesta is as competitive as Malcolm says it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
Could be like Nokia if the comparison could be made. You have to be on your toes unless you get passed by your competitors and the decline starts.
With VW already testing for 2017 and Citroen dropping from manufacturers to focus on it, I think it is not a good moment for M-Sport. They will spend a bigger amount of money, times and resources for 2016 and will start from what seems an inferior car.
The r5 market is opening to new cars like Skoda, Hyundai and so on.
Plus, some private drivers are reducing their presence on WRC. How do you think Wilson will manage this situation? Or am I wrong on describing it?
This is a great post. On the mark. I hadn't thought of it like this!Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Are you ironic or serious? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grundo Farb
Hahaha, serious. No sarcasm. :D
Some valid points stating the obvious. Money is the essence of MSport.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
The Fiesta was in the pace for the 2nd manu position before the current line up binned it.
MSport's business will never generate enough cash to attract/afford a "decent" driver, without official backing with a project, hence no glory.
Vicious circle.
Great post. It was always that way since the 2000's.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
Even when Ford had strong investing on WRC, the Focus was always a step behind, and it seems it was not by any lack of potential from the car and from the team, it was lack of investment in development.
It's easy, if Citroen invested 50 million on WRC, all the 50 milion went to the road. If Ford invested 50 milion, only less than 45 million would come to the road.
That's business, nothing wrong with that. But it should be taken in account when we see Wilson saying "if i had a top driver..."
Somebody has to take the risk and invest, Wilson is asking to someone to do that instad doing it himself.
Bertelli with M-Sport in 2016
https://twitter.com/fuckmatie37?lang=pt
Bertelli won't be one of the main two drivers surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Will be interesting to see how the paperwork gets filed with the FIA. Whether there's some sort of M-Sport B-team in play or Bertelli is just getting an arrive and drive package. Do M-Sport own the Fiesta or does Lorenzo?
I was sort of right ! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Someone on here was slagging off the poor M-Sport website the other day...
It looks like they must've been reading as its just be re-launched: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/ :)