No dobts, this was the rallye of the flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
First the Uruguayan flag painted on the roof of the DS3´s and now the Finnish flag on the podium. :)
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No dobts, this was the rallye of the flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
First the Uruguayan flag painted on the roof of the DS3´s and now the Finnish flag on the podium. :)
Ford should replace this lineup 'cos they cannot win the championship.
Easy to say that. Now the more difficult question. By who?
Why noise? An official protest is under investigation, so what's wrong with giving info about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Dont underestimate Finnish commentators. They are even used to help FIA : http://200.58.126.155/wp-content/upl...DECISION-5.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Somehow I'm very sorry for JM. In Sardinia Miikka's unfortunate mistake cost the most likely win and now in Argentina a technical failure. He sounded really frustrated in Finnish interview. I'm worried that he'll get too "fired up" in the later part of the season and start throwing it to the scenery. He said something like "I'm now totally fed up with these situations. It will change it now."
He has had such a good pace too... Well, this is rallying.
Is it still under investigation or are results final?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Still under investigation. Results are conditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Thankyou for the link, made an interesting read. I knew the Fia wouldn't give him a licence, but I dont think there was much stopping him from going out and gaining a licence. The age thing aswel, hes a gymnast for christ sake :D I dont think the age/fitness thing would be a problem for him, I dont think he eats at mcdonalds every night for his tea :pQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
I would have been really interested to follow him if he made the move, Im sure others would too.
Is there anything happenning with the SS7 shortcut thing?
Maybe not, but who else can keep up with the two sebs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Malcolm Wilson will eat a Fiesta before he lets Petter drive one, so the answer is no one.
Rally organisers given fine
The organisers of Rally Argentina have been fined $5,000 for an irregularity in the road book for the event.
The stewards of the event received a protest from the Ford team in relation to a junction towards the end of the El Condor stage. The junction was a traffic roundabout. On the first run at the stage, the organisers had taped one exit of the roundabout forcing the crews to take the legal route around the roundabout. The organisers then removed the tape for the second pass of the stage.
The Citroen drivers took the shorter route while the Fords took the same route as before - at a cost reckoned to be around four seconds. Ford's Mikko Hirvonen ultimately lost the rally to Citroen's Sebastien Loeb by just 2.7s.
The organisers were fined for not communicating a clear instruction under Article 2.1 of the sporting regulations.
Ford's Malcolm Wilson said: "We put this one into the clerk of the course on Saturday morning asking for clarification. We didn't get a satisfactory answer so we then put the request into the stewards to give us a clarification of the situation. We then decided to seek clarification from the stewards.
"The big thing is there's been an advantage gained by the ambiguity in the road book. And we wanted clarification for the future. Everybody knows the rallies have been [decided by] 0.2 of a second. Everybody is investing a lot of money in this championship and we want absolute clarification as to where we are on the regulations."
Wilson said he was happy with the outcome of the stewards' meeting, adding: "We're in this business to win but at the end of the day we want clarification going forward and that's the most important thing to point out.
"We made this request when we were actually leading the rally. It isn't a case we have lost out by two seconds and he gained whatever by taking this route. It's really positive in the sense that now anything that's discussed in the team managers' meeting - there's the evidence. They've been fined for not communicating transparently what was requested."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91890
wrc.com says Hanna Lehtinen is stakeholders relations manager at North Sport One, hardly a Finnish journalist. Anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
This whole incident goes down to one-to-remember, at least for sorry Finns. First there is a roadbook, then an agreement, a tape, no tape, a cut, no cut, advantage, disadvantage -> fine organanizers!
fair decision....once more the argentinian organisers did their best to ruin the event....5000 is very lenient penalty i think though.
Highlights from the final day of rally Argenitina on ESPN UK here mypremium.tv at 11:00 CET
One of them must be the one who beat Loeb and that's P.Solberg. Ideal second was Sordo who's fast on tarmac and ideal driver for manufacturer crown but he's in mini squad. The other one can be Hirvonen. Ideal for second driver (he doesn't deserve seat 'cos he's a payer but anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Some points from the roundabout-incident:
- On SS4, there was a safety tape in the left lane.
- Before SS7 started, FIA Safety Delegate Jacek Bartos landed with the safety helicopter and removed the safety tape.
- Daniel Elena had not signed the written agreement to pass the roundabout from the right side.
Organisers fined $5000 for non-transparent communication. Citroens...nothing. Hurray.
Congrats to Loeb, if he doesn;t run into problems by Finland then its pretty much championship all gone again for the other guys
I'm a bit confused as to the timeline for this. Also, at the second pass, what was the running order? Weren't the Citroëns running in front of the Fords? If so, shouldn't Malcolm have had someone at the junction and indicated to their cars what the competition was doing? I just think - like getting Petter/Chris to bump Loebs car in Sweden - that the Citroën guys are a bit quicker on the ball in these iffy situations.
Let we all hope he wins in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
Is this true or fake?
http://i54.tinypic.com/20zctuh.jpg
Why would you do anything to Citroen? You have just said that Elena did not sign anything, Bartos removed the tape..Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
2011 FIA WRC Sporting regulations, 14.2:Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
"All the crews will receive a road book containing a detailed description of the itinerary. This itinerary and
the road direction diagrams must be followed."
The roadbook indicated the route going as per traffic rules = from the right side. Citroens have difficulty following the rally route... Ogier's TC messup in Mexico, now this. It's very clear in the rules, rally route must be followed. But still, no. No no no.
This smells Citroen corruption! Nothing else! :mad:
What we can see is that organizers have done something wrong and been fined not any drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
it is very very sad that a nation like Finland with an industry of rally champions to act like beaten crippled dogs and ask to take victories not through driving but through shady situations.... Hirvonen would make an ideal paper champion to go on with the tradition but i think Latvala is a true Finnish driver and would never want to win rallies like that.
I do understand that Loeb has caused many phycological problems to blind nationalistic finnish fans....i will e-mail him and ask him to donate a sum of his fortune to the national finnish health care system in order to make a centre for the phycologically unstable rally fans who need treatment.
As for the situation itself the fact that Bartoz himself removed the tape shows that the only one to blame were the incompetent argentinian organisers and they got what they deserved.
What wrong has organizers done in this case?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
Ogier will be a bigger chance in Finland than Loeb I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Why is there so much bs with Citroën and rules, I guess they work rightto the limit hey
I do not know but official memo says they have changed itinerary.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
yeah, like the minute penalty Loeb got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
No, its not corruption, but Citroen Team do know how to "bend" the rules in its favor. there is someone inside Citroen that knows the rule book by heart and when one of these situations arises (like in sweden, if you watch the video of when petter pushed Loeb, someone from the team called Elena and said it was ok to do it, he then rushed to tell petter and problem solved), they take advantage of it, whilst ford may not have such an expert, that is why they normally end up loosing out on those opportunities.
Also I dont think its the organiser's fault, they marked the road with tape as it was indicated in the roadbook and THEN the FIA delegate got down from the helicopter to remove it. I remember earlier this year in rally mexico something simmilar happened, I was close to a left hand hairpin and just before the start of the stage the FIA delegate got down from the helicopter, removed all the photographers from the hairpin and then removed all the red tape inside the hairpin. This way competitors could cut much more and exit the corner faster. (not all the drivers did it as I guess some had "dont cut" in their notes...) I would blame the FIA delegate (dont know if it was the same guy this time).
I understand it is their job the make stages safe, but they can be very very nasty to everyone involved and they feel like gods around the stages, decendig from the skies and doing whatever they want.
Fair play FIA and Citröen! Once again not a big surprise...
When VW is involved in the WRC there is now way that they are going to accept this kind of situation.
Ford is not able to handle these things, because their resources are so limited.
Ironically, last time similar thing happened with current VW official driver, He got 5 minutes penalty for not following the roadbook. This time there were tapes present and he did loose time, because he drove slowly back to the SS road.
Ironically, he still won the rally in PWRC.
PS! Story is about our good friend Nasser and Acropolis rally if you didn't know :-)
what limited resources have to do with organisational errors ???
Also since Mr Bartoz was the man to remove the tape...that shows that it was clearly in the wrong place thus what the citroen drivers did was not wrong.
Nasser is just a disgrace to the sport....how many times has he been caught with illegal cars ???Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
I think that the number is two. But he has this funny DSQ-s from Dakar and this 5 minutes penalty in Greece. So, currently at least 4 times he has broken the rules and got the penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I just watched the stage times and this questionable SS. Jari would have won that stage as well (he was only 2 sec slower than Loeb on that one and waaayyy ahead of the others). So, that means he and Loeb basically both won 6 stages. Like Subaru boss told about McRae "Sooner or later there will be one rally distance between incidents." I hope it happens sooner with Jari Matti, it is just sad to watch his points tally in the season table. He is much better than the numbers tell.
Absolutely not. That shows nothing. If You want to make strong statements, please give us exact notes from road book. What safety delegate did on place has nothing to do with the course marked in road book.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...kirjan-piirros
Here is picture of that roadbook. Without any questions all Citroens are not followed the road that was draw in that book... Last box(18) of that page...
Don't forget Acropolis 2009Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford