Hey Anthony, long time fan first time posting; I was wondering if you could post some of your thoughts concerning MINI/Prodrive in the WRC and what you make of Meeke's predicament. Thanks.
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Hey Anthony, long time fan first time posting; I was wondering if you could post some of your thoughts concerning MINI/Prodrive in the WRC and what you make of Meeke's predicament. Thanks.
If I recall, Anthony did a test in a Mini at banbury before the 2011 season got underway, I bet no one at prodrive thought it would end up as it did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Didn't he do it during 2011? I know that Ketomaa has also tested a JCW at some point last year (probably before Finland). I still think it would be quite interesting to hear from someone who has actually had some dealings with Prodrive for some perspective.
Ok I answered this the best I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold
WRC behind the stages: To Cheat or not to Cheat
yes, I drove the car last year around May. It is clear that, at the time, I had no idea the Germans would be so "hands off" with rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Thats some crazy stuff - I diddn't realise thats how the FIA found out toyota were using an illegal restrictor, by submersing it in water! Does anyone know how that illegal restrictor worked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold
Shalco - TTE's Illegal Turbo'sQuote:
Originally Posted by tfp
So when the Fia scrutineers removed the restrictor to check it the device snapped shut and there was no way to see any difference? Absolutely ingenious...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
This cheat was a masterpiece of engineering. I know it was against the rules but still I admire it. I miss the engineering genius in current machinery where one car is basically same as the other fully packed by technologies from 1980' because rules doesn't allow it to be significantly different...
I heard the story once, how this drawing came about.... and where it was drawn....Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
spill the beans Pro!
Will you be driving rallies in 2012 Herr Warmbold ?
If so what is the program?
Just did a new post. I hope you guys will like it.
New page...
WRC behind the stages: Videos
Very interesting, nothing new, but really nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold
Maybe nothing new for you, but a whole lot of numbers , nice specific numbers of spring rates for given set ups..Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
The one thing I'd say to Anthony is in comparing Maz-dog, then WRC Toyota then the Focus is that gravel suspension travel has gotten longer as time goes on. With longer travel you CAN and do run softer springs becuase if you have enough travel then you can "trade travel for grip"..
Kinda oronic i just sent Mirek a question if he knew exact spring rates for gravel on the Skodas.
I manufacture gravel rally suspension and have had to explain the whole idea of springs to many guys. Anthony did pretty good job.
And yes dual spring set ups are on all the cars now.
An easy way to explain long travel suspension on rallycars is to compare to Motocross bikes. They "invented" the longtravel springs many years before rallycars adapted it. And it made a huge improvement to the motocross bikes. That´s when Ohlins came in to the market.
Good blog post Antony, was interesting to see how the "helper" spring worked!
Good picture at the top of the page aswel, where was that taken?
P.s Did you see your old mate Toni on Top Gear last night? :D
Yeah that's what I say to folks since that what was going on in the whole period I was active in moto-cross and living i Stor-Stockholm.. och till o med i Upplands-Väsby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Firman where I worked---Sollentuna Svets o Smide got the sub-contract to build the automatic TiG-svets machine which welded the bottom forging onto Kentas shock body when they were setting up for production. My boss Peter Stranh )numera i Fallköping traken tror jag) built the machine so any fool go do a proper job and while he was training Kentas normal mechanics I worked in the shop doing their work...Of course in the evening when work was done and the beer was opened, I learned a lot about the internals and these days a big part of my income is from manufacturing rally suspension using Bilstein internal parts and shocks...for example yesterday evening once my wife was home i was down at the shop making the mounting “ears“ on the struts and milling the upper hols into ovals, the cars I am right now building suspension for are 1 Suzuki, 2 Subarus, a 240 Volvo, a 240 Nissan (rwd), RX7, Sierra gravel and a Sierra for ban racing. While typing this supsension arrive for repar and mods for an escort Cosworth and a Audi Quattro..
Surprisingly enough, the suspension I make by all reports is very good and everybody says "I can't belive how nice these are on landing after jumps"
That's why seeing Anthony's numbers was interesting...
The whole design really is like in moto-cross around 1977 when we finally reached around 315mm travel rear and 300mm in the front even in details like placing the legs in front of the axle (or on bikes, the axle in front of the tube) rather in direct line with the spindle...Everything similar except cars weigh 1200kg and our bikes weighed 100kg...thats why I'm curious what the gravel rates on modern long travel cars are because that tells us a good guess on valving..
In regards Anothy's talk of springs, oh dear what we all spent a lot of time changing springs. Linear springs, progressive would with straight diameter wire for progressive effect, true progressive where the wire was linear wound but the wire tapered, normal looking coils, verty widely spaced coils (nice for fabriks drivers but fatigue failures occurred) and then finally dual springs..
Sure would be nice to know some numbers....
Now, time to weld some ears on struts!
Snowmobiles have gone through a similar developmemt curve. From leafsprings in the front and simple coil springs and 'cyclepump' dampers in the back. With very little travelway in both ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Now it is like a competitioncrosser on even a touring scooter! Amazing !
Yep, and there I believe one of the key figures was the son of an old friend of mine from 77-79 when i was doing Internationals all around France Pauli Pippola.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
he was travelling with his wife and 5 year old son and i had some enormous fun chasing the kid around and ambushing him and even threw him up (very carefully but he didn't know it) into a tree after "catching him" and swinging him around by one foot and one hand... Google Pauli Pippola and his son and the suspension which it seems he debveloped gets like 1000s of hits.....and if you look hard enough I saw some results for Papa Pippola still doing Historic moto-cross now over 60 but looks like in amazing good shape..
If I recall Juha Kankunnens commenst from WRC Finland a couple of years ago it was kind of "Motor? Nääääääääääääää Okej, but brakes and suspesnion !!'' and BIG eyes and BIG Smile. that was the most important thing when we went from 175mm travel to 250-then 300mm travel from '74 to 76, it was how hard we could deep into corners and brake so hard and not get kicked off the bike... previously we could use up all the front travel just brakingand have none left for bumps, then we could brake and use up 150-175mm and still have some left.... In the rear the wheel stayed in contact with the ground on the up and dow side of bumps and put down power, and so it was much quicker...
Too bad our muscles didn't double in the same time frame.
Now we just sit on our butts in a nice warm, dry car, and mash the gas; so much better!
Thx! The pic is from Monte, Gap area. I think it's the lac d'Embrun.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I did not see Toni :( I don't get topgear. But it'll come on youtube I'm sure.
I don't know. I wish to participate in the DRM. To be frank, rallying in Germany holds no interest for sponsors. I can't even find proper media stats because since Skoda stopped running officially in the DRM, nobody has had media and spectator viewing stats made. I have, therefore, no numbers to show sponsors. It's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I may have guessed Monte :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold
I'll keep an eye on youtube and I'll be sure to post here when I find a link :)
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Originally Posted by ProRally
+1 Please tell, Pro!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It was drawn in the office of a nice guy who is still involved in WRC, the rest I will tell over a drink when we meet up at some rally !!! :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tfp
does he still continue to draw?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProRally
I'm up for that! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ProRally
Toni G. from Top Gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIJLLkTrF4w
This video is in fact not important on a rally forum, only because we see a rally car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
That's 'cos you don't read older posts from this thread, moderator.
Cool video:-) toni is a friend of Antonys!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
I do read everything on the rally forum but was a few days abroad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
But honestly John, how is that video not of importance or interest on a rally forum? Yes, it's entertainment (but so are sports in general), but it does have a rally car driven by a rally driver on it. That said video had been posted on the forum earlier also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
Great rally (one of the best from calendar)...
WRC Highlights: Australia 2005: 52 Minutes - YouTube
Hi guys, am going to make some entries in the blog over the coming days. A new one is up already today. Have a pleasant sunday! It's really hot over here :(
Can you post www link again?
It's in his signature...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1