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They are 'the loonies' after all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
autosport.com - F1 News: Single DRS detection point to remain
Successful??Quote:
The FIA is to stick with a single detection area for the two DRS zones at this weekend's European Grand Prix, following a successful debut for the concept in Canada last weekend.
The best part of the race was when it wasn't activated!
The most boring part of it being when drivers were sitting ducks being passed with the retarded thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew
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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
I am a little disappointed I haven't heard any driver saying the DRS is just stupid.... or something to that effect
Because all teams agreed on its implementation into the sport.
They're crackers..... obviously anti-Schuey fans!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew
When the other teams realise that the ban on the EDB and the enforcemnt of only one ECU mode dosīnt help they will bann RBR :s rearwing and their unic DRS.
And I agree, bann the whole team, so mac and fer can battle it out.
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Originally Posted by Mia 01
Are you trying to brainwash us?
Ofcourse, but still, Iīm up to it. Can you advice me?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Ambrosio CustardQuote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
You saved me, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Given that the FIA are apparently evaluating DRS as the season goes on why not scrap it for one race to see what effect that has? I suppose the answer to that is that the rear wings have been designed with DRS in mind, but the general opinion seems to be that the tyres have had a far, far greater impact on overtaking than anything else.
DRS is a gimmick. It hinders racing. It's not needed. Scrap it.
Properly executed I think it helps racing, but sadly the FIA don't seem to be up for that...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Agreed it's a crappy knee jerk solution that should have never made it's way into F1 in this guise. Either it's free for all to use or it isn't allowed at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
That's actually a very good idea (always the tone of surprise!).Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
How can you say that? At some races overtaking has been impossible even when you have a car advantage of nearly 2 seconds a lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I agree, its not needed at every race, but to say its not needed at all is largely inaccurate.
Then lets say it again. It is not needed!Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael_2
I'd be all for not using DRS for a couple of races just to see the result that tires alone have had on racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
As for DRS hindering racing, I can't really agree. Just as with KERS, the tire changes, and the fact that the cars are not spec cars every inequality can be said to hinder racing. We had KERS and the F-Duct and nobody claimed they hindered racing. I understand the point that DRS is only used by the car following closely enough at the detection point and personally think DRS should be allowed as an "at will" system.
Done as an "at will" system many tracks would likely allow setups that take advantage of the two different wing profiles.
Case in point was Vettel today, setting a fast lap during qualification.
How do we know?Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael_2
I'm convinced that the tyres are the major factor, not DRS or KERS, but there's no way of knowing for sure. Remove DRS from the equation for a race and we may have a better idea of what contribution it is making.
The thing with DRS for me is that it handicaps the driver being overtaken simply because he has nothing to defend the pass. Also, I don't like the fact that the FIA dictate where and when it can be used. KERS is not limited as much, but it too is limited and not only by affordability, whereas the tyres are the same for everyone. Yes, they have been designed to a template set by the FIA, but come raceday it's up to the teams & drivers to manage the tyres as best they can.
We might have some luck, with Charlie thinking about a 2nd detection zone with drivers voicing their opinion.
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Whiting, however, is not satisfied and is close to arranging for a second activation point to be applied ahead of the second 'DRS' straight at Silverstone in a fortnight.
If not, the chasing driver has "a double advantage", argues Rubens Barrichello, because "he can drive off with his flat rear wing" in the second DRS zone "even if he is already ahead".
Sebastian Vettel agrees: "Rubens is right. When Button passed Schumacher in Montreal, Michael didn't stand a chance."
But a dissenting voice is Nick Heidfeld's, who argues: "The whole point is that the faster driver can pass. If the slower one can attack immediately again, the first overtaking move was pointless."
God F1 is so boring this year, why don't they make the DRS more effective so we can see Nascar style passing.
Heidfeld talking rubbish! :down:
Double DRS zones with double detection zones seem to be the fairest way. I see Heidfeld's point, but then again he can always wait to the second zone to use the DRS if he wants to avoid being DReSsed back. come to think of it, There could be some good racing tactics involved with 2 detection zones.
If they have not realised by now that DRS is a rediculous system, they never will and god help us for all the other gimmicks they may intriduce in the future. Experts my ar$e :down:
What's wrong with DRS? If F1 doesn't use it to help passing what else can they do?
Come up with sound aero rules, that's what they should do.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Still they chose to keep DRS and drop the new aero rules that were prepared for 2013. :down:
Itīs a very stupid idea. It helps overtaking by creating an artificial advantage for one driver in the detriment of another. what's not wrong about that?... not to mention the fact that it either makes passes too easy or it is completely ineffective like on Sunday (al least that's what I've heard, going to the pool even with only 20 degress outside seemed a better idea than THE SHOW). And I believe racing it's not just about passes. One should have the skills to make a pass, it should be a challenge not just push a button and take off.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
I think it's funny that the solution to overtaking difficulties (due to aero wake) has been around since the Lotus 78. Heck, GP2 were running ground effect until the 2011 car redesign, and GP2 racing is worse off for the lack of it.
But how do you make ground effects interesting to the average Joe who watches every 4th race? With DRS is simple the commentators keep pointing it out every 10 seconds that the driver behind will now have the possibility to use the DRS and every an and his dog can see how the wing angle changes and the car behind goes 20 kph faster all of a sudden. This is F1s problem, catering to the wrong audience, to those who come an go without any special interest into the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shifter
Is all the DRS whining and pouting still going on? :)
I'd much prefer they sort out the aero of the cars myself, but DRS sure beats all the years and years we watched cars 2-3 second a lap quicker struggle to make a pass... anywhere on the course! If DRS made passes as easy as everyone claims, you could simply fall back before the detection zone, use DRS and blow past 2 or 3 cars a lap.
But from what I've seen the reality is that the only cars DRS is assisting at all are cars that are without doubt already the quicker cars, being held up only by the terrible aero regulations currently in place. And even in that case there have been a lot of DRS zone passes that still took laps and laps to pull off... something that happened a lot before DRS as well.
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Originally Posted by airshifter
Surely, you mean it's a draft system? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
I dont think my interest in F1 has been so little in ages and I blame this on one thing - Artificial crap, horse dung that is DRS.
I especially don't like the fact that DRS can be used against backmarkers - it's just adding an extra element of randomness and luck for those doing the lapping.
BBC Sport - Jacques Villeneuve tired of Formula 1 'borefest'
Finally - someone within the sport having the guts to criticise DRS - Jacques Villeneuve has gone up in my estimation here. Apologies if people outside the UK are unable to watch the video in the link (it's from the BBC website so they may have some restriction in place) but in a nutshell he says yes there's lots of overtaking but mostly before the braking zone in a straight, and you basically know it will happen so where's the excitement in that?
I must admit after making a bit of an effort at the start of the year (Australia wasn't too bad to be honest as the system didn't seem to cause any additional overtaking) I've zoned out and stopped watching altogether so I'll have to take his word for it as I've basically given up on F1 now (especially after watching some real racing at Le Mans a few weeks ago) - not that those in charge care as the influx of fair-weather, short-attention-spanned "fans" represents a net gain for their wallets.
Speaking of Villeneuves, can you imagine Jarama 1981 with this system in place? A classic would have become just another race.
I put the Daily News down about 30 minutes ago and in it was a short article about the JV view on F1 at the moment. The DRS issue is the first and probably only time that he and I will agree on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by V12
With regards to the Le Mans Series, I have gone from a casual follower of the series to full on fan. At the rate that the FIA is running F1 and the gimmicks revolution it is forcing on us, I may not be watching F1 next season after over 20 years.
Same here, including the JV part. :)
Hate to be unoriginal - but I'm another to agree. Far too many people in the world of F1 are stuck up their own exhaust pipes, and can't see the wood for the trees. JV is right - none of the overtakes are a surprise.... I wonder what the next gimmick is?
As others have said Sportscars/LMS/ILMC is 'proper' racing - and whilst not perfect with the Diesel/Petrol issue - it beats F1 by miles.