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22nd March 2011, 21:59
N.O.T

aaaah this is the s2000 car....hmmmmm ok ignore my comment then....
22nd March 2011, 22:35
Plan9

I just hope that at least one of these cars finnishes the event. By the way, why have they allowed the car to enter at all as it has a turbo??? why are they allowed tubros at all.
22nd March 2011, 23:11
MrJan

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

Since i am an expert at judging performance by video only (predicted both that the ford is slower than the citroen and the new wrcs slower than the old) i say that this car will not go far....looks more like an s2000 when accelerating out of the corners...entry speed is ok. Of course the driver is an important factor and armindo is pretty average for WRC standards...but we will see.

Very nice on board camera though....you can even see the feet of the drivers hope they use it for their official cars as well.

Ooh!!! You worked out that the Citroen (a team that habitually introduce extremely quick cars and have a history of being top dog) would be quicker than the Ford (a slightly underfunded team that is effectively a private entry) AND that the 1.6l turbo cars would be slower than the 2l turbos. What's your next amazing prediction? That next year will begin with a 2?
22nd March 2011, 23:34
N.O.T

well if you see all the negative comments and abuse i got when i made those assumptions then you would understand why i feel that way....but ok i am used to be right most of the time so negative comments do not bother me anymore....maybe.
22nd March 2011, 23:36
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryfullalove

What's your next amazing prediction? That next year will begin with a 2?

i bet if i made such a prediction 57.24% of the people in here would still give me hell.....
23rd March 2011, 07:16
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

Since i am an expert at judging performance by video only (predicted both that the ford is slower than the citroen and the new wrcs slower than the old) i say that this car will not go far....looks more like an s2000 when accelerating out of the corners...entry speed is ok. Of course the driver is an important factor and armindo is pretty average for WRC standards...but we will see.

Very nice on board camera though....you can even see the feet of the drivers hope they use it for their official cars as well.

You know, The World is moving fast forward, so, it is time for you to do the same (to move to the next level). So, I expect you to estimate Mini´s approximate timeloss/gain to the Ford and Citroen per/km in Portugal. You are allowed to use all video footage available in the internet. :-P
23rd March 2011, 08:12
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluuford

You know, The World is moving fast forward, so, it is time for you to do the same (to move to the next level). So, I expect you to estimate Mini´s approximate timeloss/gain to the Ford and Citroen per/km in Portugal. You are allowed to use all video footage available in the internet. :-P

:bounce:
23rd March 2011, 09:20
N.O.T

hmmmm....its a hard task....maybe.
23rd March 2011, 10:16
Barreis

First Grifone mini..
http://rallymania.forumfree.it/?t=38...t=300#lastpost
23rd March 2011, 11:47
J.Lindstroem

I like the car in tarmarc spec! Cant wait to see it in Portugal now, i hope it will be competetive!
23rd March 2011, 13:11
Barreis

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90104
23rd March 2011, 14:01
Iskald

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

hmmmm....its a hard task....maybe.

I sense your world-famous confidence is slipping, N.O.T...? Remember, you are nearly always right! ;-)
23rd March 2011, 14:26
N.O.T

not nearly....mostly...more accurate would be 94.766666...% of the times right....true calculation based on true facts. maybe....
23rd March 2011, 14:39
J.Lindstroem

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

not nearly....mostly...more accurate would be 94.766666...% of the times right....true calculation based on true facts. maybe....

You must be the father of true facts, NOT! ;)
23rd March 2011, 14:49
N.O.T

no...just a scholar....
23rd March 2011, 15:19
J.Lindstroem

haha.. its just something with you beeing greek and fighting for true facts. Reminds me of Platon, Aristoteles and that gang! ;)
23rd March 2011, 23:12
noel157

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem

haha.. its just something with you beeing greek and fighting for true facts. Reminds me of Platon, Aristoteles and that gang! ;)

Did those two enter the Acropolis long time ago?

:)
23rd March 2011, 23:18
Barreis

They were organisers.. :D
23rd March 2011, 23:56
Plan9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barreis

First Grifone mini..
http://rallymania.forumfree.it/?t=38...t=300#lastpost

Was that the wrc spec or the turbo s2000? I find it hard to tell. In the press release the WRC mini had cool headlights but they seem to have disappeared in the production version.
24th March 2011, 00:32
Motorsportfun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plan9

Was that the wrc spec or the turbo s2000? I find it hard to tell. In the press release the WRC mini had cool headlights but they seem to have disappeared in the production version.

It's the turbo s2000, but has been bought the WRC-kit too. ;)
24th March 2011, 16:13
noel157

Grifone Mini shakedown test video:

http://channel.ellegy.com/
24th March 2011, 16:26
OldF

Lower revs than the WRC version but still sounds better than a N4. The gear changes where made at about 6700-6800 rpm.
24th March 2011, 16:28
darkstar

sound is defenetly not so bad.
25th March 2011, 12:54
COD

Not so bad start from Armino, he's not the fastest driver around and still decent times. Maybe the Mini is not so bad??
25th March 2011, 13:04
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by COD

Not so bad start from Armino, he's not the fastest driver around and still decent times. Maybe the Mini is not so bad??

Armindo has stated that he has not been pushing at all, driving very carefully. The current version (S2000 1.6T) has far less downforce than WRCars.

Quite poisitve start from Mini IMHO
25th March 2011, 20:47
Plan9

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali

Armindo has stated that he has not been pushing at all, driving very carefully. The current version (S2000 1.6T) has far less downforce than WRCars.

Quite poisitve start from Mini IMHO

How has Oliveria done?
25th March 2011, 20:50
rv65

Probably not that good, as he is a pretty slow driver. Slower than Wilslow, I should say.
25th March 2011, 21:13
OldF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plan9

How has Oliveria done?

Position 21, 11:27,3 behind the leader.

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=52&filtr=
26th March 2011, 03:23
Zeakiwi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeakiwi

I was having a look at the testing video. I cannot quite pick quite what it is about the Mini front end. In one clip the front suspension looked amazing, does it need to be really amazing to be competitive ? It is the steering, anti-rollbars ?, something with the shock absorber compression, front wheel castor angle? How does the front wheel travel and A arm geometry compare to Fiesta ?
With the longer wheel base the car's outside back wheels might end up in the (Fiesta/DS 3) gravel sweepings on twisty gravel road corners.

"One of the key tasks we set the engineering team was to make the car practical and economical to use for private teams without in any way compromising its performance. The car will be produced in reasonable volumes, in motorsport terms of 25 to 30 per year, and thus it has to be easily maintained in remote locations across the world. As a result, if you look at the new MINI WRC, its design is very clean and simple and, in engineering terms, that has taken a lot more time and effort. For instance, all four uprights are interchangeable as are the anti-roll bars, so our customers don’t need so many spare parts to run their cars. There are also many innovative features around the rest of the car including the roll-cage design which will make the MINI extremely safe."

It looks as though Prodrive have rated serviceability/ cost of maintenance over ultimate performance/ ability in the suspension/ anti roll bar department.
28th March 2011, 13:44
noel157

Not true. Performance has always been the prime objective (naturally). Development and testing is ahead of schedule and the team is more than happy with the performance of the car.
If ease of use for private teams is engineered into the design then that's a bonus. Of course Prodrive need to do a bit of marketing too in order to sell cars but don't worry about the performance being an issue.
29th March 2011, 09:10
rbatista82

http://www.supermotores.net/images/g...llypt20116.jpg
29th March 2011, 10:15
6789

Nice pic, there's been a few on the net where it is lifting a front wheel around a corner and the Ford and Citroens weren't. Might need more suspension development.
29th March 2011, 11:11
GINE

IT seems to have very limited suspension travel compared to Ford and Citroen.
29th March 2011, 11:51
MrJan

TBF the Ford looked very soft though, seemed to roll a lot in some of the harder turns.
29th March 2011, 12:20
Barreis

Nice picture..
29th March 2011, 12:45
TheFlyingTuga

The suspension is the one thing Armindo said it must be developed! And I know that Dani Sordo thinks the same way, cause the car looses big amounts of traction with the little suspension travel!
29th March 2011, 14:31
Sulland

Who are the makers of the Mini Suspension, is it Reiger ?
29th March 2011, 17:21
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

Who are the makers of the Mini Suspension, is it Reiger ?

Οhlins
29th March 2011, 17:23
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by GINE

IT seems to have very limited suspension travel compared to Ford and Citroen.

I wonder how they are going to survive at Acropolis with such limited suspension travel.Hope they fix it properly.
29th March 2011, 17:29
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Οhlins

Still I think that this issue has more to do with suspension design concept of Prodrive than with just shock absorbers.

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