I also think the old boy is getting a bit more comfortable in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by schumacher7championships
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I also think the old boy is getting a bit more comfortable in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by schumacher7championships
i think that if you put schumi in the team that produces drinks,as the victim of racism,lewis,said, he absolutely could be first in the championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Not really rather, that the notion of this having been him at his best is just a piece of present-day spin, only of interest to those who have either (a) short memories, or (b) those whose pro-Schumacher propaganda reminds me of the Iraqi information minister's efforts in the run-up to the 2003 war. Had this been Schumacher at his best, he would have won. This is a driver for whom second was not good enough. As it was, he finished fourth. It was a performance that would barely have rated a mention in his heyday compared with what he did actually achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big supporter of Kobayashi. But he is in a lesser car than the Mercedes, and still only 1 point behind. MS is tied with his team mate, who is without doubt a good driver. But I don't see Rosberg at the very top of the field either. This leads me to the reality that MS isn't the driver he used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
And as I said above, this has no effect on my thought that if Mercedes wants him to stay and he is happy with it, he should stay. I just feel his best days are behind him, and I'm not going to get my hopes up over a single good race result.
The Schumi of old would not have won that race. Very unlikely. You seem to be forgetting Spa 2005 a wet race and he finished third if my memory serves me correctly. He was by a mile the quickest Bridgestone runner that day. If you don't have the machinery to win you simply can't do it. And with dopey DRS there was no way he could have ever kept Button and Webber behind till the end of the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
What a mighty performance it was to be right on the rear wing of Webber as he crossed the line though. Ouststanding. I really, really hope he can keep this form up. He was doing brilliantly in Monaco compared to Rosberg as well. I can't wait to see how he does in Valencia. He needs to start outqualifying Nico more too.
Perhaps because during his first careeer, despite you hating him, he still gave you massive entertainment and last Sunday reminded you of that...Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
He most definitely deserved a podium on Sunday. Such a shem he didn't get it.
Are you an M$ fan now, Denial? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I've always liked M$ :p You still an M$ fan tOdy? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by odykas
Is that Ja, as in OK Ja?Quote:
Originally Posted by odykas
Jolly hockey sticks what what? ;)
Hi there odykas. Members from my country is most of the time right.Quote:
Originally Posted by odykas
And, Ms drove really well last race, sad he didnīt make it to the podium.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Good you mention it a I was getting worried that might not be the case anymore! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by odykas
Business as usual :|
Code:7 Nico Rosberg +1:38
17 Michael Schumacher +1 lap
I voted yes and I still think he should retire as a prefere to remember how good he was...whilst at Ferrari ;)
Alot of opinions seem to change every race depending on a good race performance or bad one. Lets wait and see
Nah, Ody never liked MS, au contraire.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Pino was only lukewarm about him, and only halfheartedly supported him due to MS driving for Ferrari.
So nothing changed. ;)
This. Canada was probably the moment, when he looked the best in that car yet, this week his pace was same or better with Rosberg, we shouldn't decide in 2 races.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
I see Schumacher's comeback as a positive - he's doing a great job of ignoring the press and all the other detractors, and showing great persistence and strength of character. No way should he quit - all that would be lost.
I'm afraid I fail to see why it would matter if all that were lost. It's not as if he's the only driver capable of showing great persistence and strength of character. There are many legitimate reasons that could be cited in favour of him staying on, but those, I'm afraid, don't really stack up.Quote:
Originally Posted by intheway
Exactly. Most people don't realise how difficult it is to return to the pinnacle of a sport after 3 years absence. Imagine Federer if he took 3 years off, played no tennis and then decided to return to Wimbledon. A lot of big noise would be made about it to sell papers I'm sure but he would never be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
The thing I admire about Schumacher the most is that he is convinced he can be WDC again. There have been clear signs of improvement over the last few races. He was on course for outqualifying Rosberg this weekend too if it wasn't for a moment in the last corner. Ok the Schumi of old wouldn't have made that mistake but MS is working on it.
In the end he is doing a really good job in the last few races. He isn't as bulletproof as before but he is slowly reattaining the speed he once had. For a 42 year old he is doing an incredible job.
How many races do you people need. It's always another 1, or another 2, or another season.Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
Face it, he was not that good over the last few years of his career and he's shocking now with the occasional reasonable race.
He should just pack up and leave already. There are much, much better drivers Mercedes could get for half the money. Bad investment for them IMO.
There's a general rule that people use in sport and that's that it will take you equal amount of time you've had off to get back to top form. If this is the case we should expect to see Schuey in Mercedes for another 2 seasons after this at least ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Its actually how many races does Mercedes need, and from how it looks, they are satisfied with his performance, of course your not, but you also dont have access to the information they do. He was 0.009 seconds slower then Rosberg in qualifying, a racing incident with petrov, caused his race to be the way it was. A race ago he looked much better then most of the grid in Canada, I dont even need to look at the data to say, he should stay. Neither do the majority of people voting on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
And from his last race in Ferrari, I remember, he went from last to 4th, which in my opinion was a clear showing of how good he was when he left. I dont think he was too bad in his last few years.
Well when Mercedes produce a competitive car, we can all comment not only on The Shoe but also Rosberg. For now, solid performances for a 42 year old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Repped brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
He wasn't the Schumacher of old when he left Ferrari either but he was still better than the rest of the field. This is why Alonso rated him to be one of his biggest rivals this season. It was a silly mistake iwth Petrov alright. It's a shame he didn't outqualify Nico, he seemed to have the pace on him for sure in quali.
If it was Heidfeld or similar producing the same results as Schumacher in that car, would we be wanting him out? I doubt it.
It's probably been mentioned before.
I'm not saying the Merc is the best car out there but lets not slag it off too much. It was a Championship winning car when Schumacher jumped in it and Rosberg is getting results.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
At least he's doing better this year against his team mate with about 3/4 of his points as opposed to only managing 1/2 of his points last year. At this rate, Schumacher will be on his top form next year and might manage to match Nico.
Ah come on now. The 2010 Merc was far from a championship winning car. The Brawn GP car was a championship winning car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
They are one and the same :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Let me rephrase it. The car that Schumacher had in 2010 was more than capable of at least getting on the podium and was derived from the Championship winning car driven by Jenson on 2009.
We hear so much from Schumacher fans that the mighty Schumy can take a mediocre car and win races with it but he's not in a mediocre car. He's in car that is capable of getting on the steps.
They are not the same thing and that is clearly obvious to even the biggest dunce. The 2010 car was nowhere near as competitive as the 2009 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Schumacher certainly wasn't capable of getting on the steps last year with that car except maybe in one or two races such as Spain or Japan but other than that he certainly wasn't because either he didn't perform at expected levels or the car didn't.
Do you honestly believe the Mercedes in Valencia was capable of getting on the steps? Not a chance.
I didn't say that the 2010 car was as competitive as the 2009 car but merely it was derived from a very successful car and achieved podiums with Rosburg in 2010. Before wading in with accusations of Duncehood, it may pay to read what is actually posted to avoid appearing foolish?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
My point exactly but his young team mate managed it OK. The same team mate that was going to be destroyed?Quote:
Schumacher certainly wasn't capable of getting on the steps last year with that car
Who said anything about Spain? All I said was that some Schumacher fans used to claim he could win races in a Minardi.Quote:
except maybe in one or two races such as Spain or Japan but other than that he certainly wasn't because either he didn't perform at expected levels or the car didn't.
Do you honestly believe the Mercedes in Valencia was capable of getting on the steps? Not a chance.
If this was the Schumacher of old we were talking about then such silly mistakes, and being outqualified by a team-mate would not be mentioned because they would not be happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Expectations are rather different though aren't they. Schumacher came to Mercedes with the reputation of being able to build a team around him, motivate that team, and produce winning performances and championships. Of course that takes time but for one thing Mercedes were the defending champions when he joined, and time is something Schuamcher does not have much of in terms of his F1 career.Quote:
Originally Posted by 52Paddy
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Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
You said they were one in the same...
The Mercedes car last year was much more competitive at the start of the year than towards the end when development had stopped. Rosberg got his podiums at the start but come halfway mark after Silverstone where he got his last podium the car wasn't as competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Schumacher, once upon a day, was capable of dragging a mediocre car to get podiums. Anyone that watched his first few years at Ferrari knew that. I am a Schumi fan but clearly he isn't able to really do that anymore. In fact, I don't believe he was really capable of doing that since 2003. If he'll regain that magic, who knows? I doubt it though.
Agreed but that is no reason for Schumacher to give up the ghost just yet. I'll wholeheartedly admit that Schumacher of old is only present in the history books. However, I still think Schumi has his place in F1 and at Mercedes. I do think he will continue to regain form and will finish on the podium before he leaves the sport for good. An experienced hand is needed in the car as Rosberg is still learning (despite the few years he has under his belt now). I cannot think of anyone else in the field with as much experience and who could achieve better results inc. Heidfeld and Barrichello.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I said that It was a Championship winning car when Schumacher jumped in it and Rosberg is getting results.The car that Mercedes raced in 2010 was derived from the Championship winning Brawn of 2009, built and developed by the same team so therefore it was hardly a dud. I don't see the problem with referring to them as one and the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
As for the rest of your post, I agree 100%.
Retro Formula 1 is right that the 2010 Mercedes was derived from the 2009 Brawn. But to be fair, the Brawn at the end of the 2009 season was behind the likes of Ferrrari, Macca etc due to the lack of in season developments from Brawn GP. It was eventually the 3rd maybe even 4th best car at the end of 2009 as the other teams developed their cars.
I wouldn't say it was that bad???Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Even Rubens, who is hardly top flight IMHO, managed to win 2 of the last 7 races and Jenson who was a bag of nerves managed a couple of podiums. It wasn't as dominant as it was earlier in the year but was still a race winning car.
It was probably on a par with the Red Bull at that stage or slightly slipping behind it but not much.
I could be wrong, but did Button not acknowledged in an interview towards the end of the season that the other teams had caught up to and passed Brawn GP on the development front? If it had not been for Brawn's dominance at the start to the 2009 season, Button may not have won the WDC that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1