Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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11th October 2009, 03:32
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Malllen

Why wouldn't McLaren sign Kimi? That would be unintelligent if money isnt an obstacle.

Besides, as I've said before, Kimi would be well sick of Newey's cars anyway.

You'll hopefully recall that little of this has to do with actual driver performance.

Just as it looked like Jenson would never win a world title (he still mightn't).

Moral of the analogy = wait and see what happens because anything can.

Why would Raikkonen be sick of Newey's cars? They have won championships before and Kimi does not strike me as being the superstititous type.

Driver performance? Jackie Stewart when asked about drivers "bad luck" commented that for example Amon used to run over curbs and do things that he would not. The affect on the car was that the car did not finish or had prblems that would lose Amon the position. Drivers have a lot to do with it.

I have confidence in Stewart's judgement.

Well of course we do not know what will happen, but if we waited all the time there would be no discussion.

And it was Webber himsef that declared it was 2009 or it would be over.
11th October 2009, 07:35
Ranger

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Why would Raikkonen be sick of Newey's cars? They have won championships before and Kimi does not strike me as being the superstititous type.

Kimi wants a car that can win championships, not break down in the process of trying. (see: 2005)

You would also like to look at years 2002, 2004 and 2006 when some people claimed it was Kimi "the carbreaker" Raikkonen's fault for the many mechanical failures during races.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Driver performance? Jackie Stewart when asked about drivers "bad luck" commented that for example Amon used to run over curbs and do things that he would not. The affect on the car was that the car did not finish or had prblems that would lose Amon the position. Drivers have a lot to do with it.

I have confidence in Stewart's judgement.

Well of course we do not know what will happen, but if we waited all the time there would be no discussion.

Driver performance has nothing at all to do with:

- Drivethrough penalties for unsafe releases. (Belgium)
- Slow pitstops (valencia)
- Headrests needing to be re-attached TWICE during the first two laps of a race. (Japan)

Not to mention Singapore and Italy which were more somewhat related related to the driver, added with some poor luck (ie. brake failure).

...all of which Mark has had since Hungary (where he lost even more points because of an unsafe release).

Seb has been the slightly better driver but this string of Mark's misfortunes are flattering his performance in the later part of this year A LOT.
12th October 2009, 13:04
Mauri A

Last rumour from Spain. Accordin to Spanish newspaper "Sport", if Räikkönen comes, Hamilton goes!
12th October 2009, 13:16
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Driver performance? Jackie Stewart when asked about drivers "bad luck" commented that for example Amon used to run over curbs and do things that he would not.

Mario Andretti on Chris Amon: "Unlucky? if he became an undertaker, people would stop dying."
12th October 2009, 15:11
ioan

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Originally Posted by Mauri A

Last rumour from Spain. Accordin to Spanish newspaper "Sport", if Räikkönen comes, Hamilton goes!

For once I really can't believe them.
12th October 2009, 16:51
pettersolberg29

Impossible that McLaren will get rid of Lewis, but Lewis might have told McLaren that if they get Kimi on board then he will leave perhaps?
12th October 2009, 16:54
ioan

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Impossible that McLaren will get rid of Lewis, but Lewis might have told McLaren that if they get Kimi on board then he will leave perhaps?

But where would Lewis go?
12th October 2009, 17:04
Jarno

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Impossible that McLaren will get rid of Lewis, but Lewis might have told McLaren that if they get Kimi on board then he will leave perhaps?

According to Sport, those were Lewis's words.
12th October 2009, 17:28
I am evil Homer

Yeah of course he said that.....I don't think. Pretty clear Spanish press hate Hamilton - it;s stirring for the sake of it. Not that McLaren or Lewis will care what Sport claims it knows.
12th October 2009, 18:26
gloomyDAY

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Originally Posted by Mauri A

Last rumour from Spain. Accordin to Spanish newspaper "Sport", if Räikkönen comes, Hamilton goes!

:D Sure! lol

I think Kimi at RBR would be an awesome driver line-up.
Vettel has been outperforming Webber all season long.
Look at the qualifying battles. Mark only bested Seb once, once!
Vettel could use a teammate that can keep pace.

Kimi just wants to tear it up on the track. RBR are serious title contenders and not poseurs on the grid. I'm sure that the typical McLaren and Ferrari feud will continue, but Red Bull can be the token team that throws a wrench in their whole championship.
12th October 2009, 23:24
raikk

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Originally Posted by Mauri A

Last rumour from Spain. Accordin to Spanish newspaper "Sport", if Räikkönen comes, Hamilton goes!

:biglaugh: fat chance that happens! even if Hamilton did say if Kimi come I'm gone I'd think that they wouldn't even sign Raikkonen at all and keep Kovalainen but I really doubt this scenario is true..(see DC article I posted a few pages back)
13th October 2009, 02:07
jens

I think those Kimi->RBR and Hamilton leaving McLaren are completely empty rumours, created out of nothing. But what can we do - such wild rumours exist in yellow journalism. :)
13th October 2009, 08:53
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ozrevhead

Personally I dont think it will happen

Webber fans wont the only livid one I can guarentee your - he's very popular up and down pit lane and I dont think they will few there that will take it too kindly :mad:

Could of left when they were jaguar and were s-house but didnt

No one up and down the pit lane will care if Red Bull dumps Webber for Kimi, they will understand it is a good decision for the team. Kimi simply is a faster driver than Webber.

But, it will not happen. Webber and Vettel for Red Bull next year.
13th October 2009, 13:10
CaptainRaiden

Stupid rumors. Why would Hamilton threaten to leave, when at the start of this year or last year he said he misses the challenge of a good teammate? A tad contradicting these two things, don't you think? Well, we know which one is the confirmed news. ;)
13th October 2009, 20:13
Koz

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Stupid rumors. Why would Hamilton threaten to leave, when at the start of this year or last year he said he misses the challenge of a good teammate? A tad contradicting these two things, don't you think? Well, we know which one is the confirmed news. ;)

Maybe he just wanted to piss Heikki off? Could just be his ego?

I still don't quite trust the guy as a person, altough he has proved to be a fantastic driver.

Kimi might just prove to be a handful for him, seeing how long he was with the team, more so now that Kimi will be (slightly) motivated to destroy Alonso and Ferrari.

RBR is still a possibility, I think, seeing as getting Webber to RBR was all to do with Flavio and his engines. Now with him disgraced and gone, and with Webber openly supporting him, will it influence anything?
As much as I love the guy, sadly Webber is not on the same level as Kimi, and RBR would be silly not to take him if they had the chance.
Kimi might even finish ahead of Webber, and that would be horrendous.
14th October 2009, 08:57
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Stupid rumors. Why would Hamilton threaten to leave, when at the start of this year or last year he said he misses the challenge of a good teammate? A tad contradicting these two things, don't you think? Well, we know which one is the confirmed news. ;)

He can say many things in public, it is not like he is a saint and always tells the truth.

Besides, do you have any links to that story. I doubt he would have said something like that, which is quite degrading to HK.
14th October 2009, 10:44
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

:D Sure! lol

I think Kimi at RBR would be an awesome driver line-up.
Vettel has been outperforming Webber all season long.
Look at the qualifying battles.

Look at the races. While he has less points, Webber has still finished ahead of Vettel more times than Vettel has finished ahead of him.
14th October 2009, 17:44
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

He can say many things in public, it is not like he is a saint and always tells the truth.

Besides, do you have any links to that story. I doubt he would have said something like that, which is quite degrading to HK.

Nope, I don't have the link and I'm not gonna search for one. I read it somewhere or heard it on some F1 special. I could also be mixing up Hamilton with Alonso, who said a similar thing about missing strong teammate battles.
15th October 2009, 10:17
jas123f1

Massa Is Convinced Alonso Knew about the Crash-gate in Singapore last year..

It looks that Felipe Massa doesn't seem too comfortable having Fernando Alonso as a teammate in 2010. Or else he wouldn't make the comments he did this week, regarding the Spaniard's potential involvement in the crash-gate. Being in Brazil and waiting for the start of the Interlagos race this weekend, the Ferrari-an seems convinced Alonso knew about the whole Singapore affair last year...

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ma...ate-12036.html

And I must say -- i agree to that.. :blackeye:
15th October 2009, 10:25
I am evil Homer

Of course he did....hence Brundle's "Teflonso" comment on the grid :D
15th October 2009, 11:04
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Nope, I don't have the link and I'm not gonna search for one. I read it somewhere or heard it on some F1 special. I could also be mixing up Hamilton with Alonso, who said a similar thing about missing strong teammate battles.

So if you have no proof of it, why are you making such comments?
15th October 2009, 14:23
Hondo

Kimi may stay at Ferrari. I don't think Ferrari or any other team is real keen about having Massa in their race car again. Too much "what if..." involved with that. Fisi has already disappointed Ferrari and is not likely to see a race drive after this season. Ferrari may have to keep Kimi.
15th October 2009, 23:14
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Nope, I don't have the link and I'm not gonna search for one. I read it somewhere or heard it on some F1 special. I could also be mixing up Hamilton with Alonso, who said a similar thing about missing strong teammate battles.

I remember it also.
16th October 2009, 19:35
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

So if you have no proof of it, why are you making such comments?

So, are you saying you make no comments on this forum without proof? Like thugsquirrel and henners have already mentioned, much like them, I heard or saw Lewis mentioning it during a buildup to some race. Don't have time enough to gather where, when, what time, second or website I saw it on.

Who knows? Maybe Alonso really brought his "six tenths" to Mclaren. There is no proof of it, but some people do believe it and you say it's bull$hit.
16th October 2009, 22:43
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Kimi may stay at Ferrari. I don't think Ferrari or any other team is real keen about having Massa in their race car again. Too much "what if..." involved with that. Fisi has already disappointed Ferrari and is not likely to see a race drive after this season. Ferrari may have to keep Kimi.

Did you wake up after a long sleep or something?? The deals are done, Kimi is out and Massa is in, period.
17th October 2009, 20:03
Koz

What was that?

Did the Toyota principal say that they talked to Kimi and he just wants more money than they offered??
17th October 2009, 21:51
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Koz

What was that?

Did the Toyota principal say that they talked to Kimi and he just wants more money than they offered??

Yes. He also said that they have experience of Finns who like to party :p
17th October 2009, 22:14
jens

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes. He also said that they have experience of Finns who like to party :p

Toyota may have, but Howett certainly doesn't have. :p :
17th October 2009, 22:22
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by Koz

What was that?

Did the Toyota principal say that they talked to Kimi and he just wants more money than they offered??

Nice way of saying "he wasn't interested". Corporate guy, Howett.
18th October 2009, 03:39
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

Massa Is Convinced Alonso Knew about the Crash-gate in Singapore last year..

It looks that Felipe Massa doesn't seem too comfortable having Fernando Alonso as a teammate in 2010. Or else he wouldn't make the comments he did this week, regarding the Spaniard's potential involvement in the crash-gate. Being in Brazil and waiting for the start of the Interlagos race this weekend, the Ferrari-an seems convinced Alonso knew about the whole Singapore affair last year...

www.autoevolution.com/news/massa-is-convinced-alonso-knew-about-the-crash-gate-12036.html

And I must say -- i agree to that.. :blackeye:

Massa has a short memory. It appears that he is a sore loser contrary to what he said after Interlagos 2008.

So Massa is a hypocrite?

And then how does he know? Maybe Massa KNEW that his fellow Brazilian had conspired.

But this whole issue is not ended yet because Briatore is currently seeking avenues through French the justice system and not the kangaroo court of the FIA.

I think Raikkonen is well rid of the toxic Ferrari environment. The disgrace is that at Suzuka, apart from his engineer the whole team ignored him. Apparently the "fly on the wall" reports that nobody COULD even look him in the eye.

When he entered the teams area including the motorhome everyone suddenly got busy. He then left and went over and spent time with Mclaren including entering the pitlane through the Mclaren garages and not the garages of the Ferrari team.
18th October 2009, 11:40
jas123f1

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Massa has a short memory. It appears that he is a sore loser contrary to what he said after Interlagos 2008.

So Massa is a hypocrite?

And then how does he know? Maybe Massa KNEW that his fellow Brazilian had conspired.

But this whole issue is not ended yet because Briatore is currently seeking avenues through French the justice system and not the kangaroo court of the FIA.

I think Raikkonen is well rid of the toxic Ferrari environment. The disgrace is that at Suzuka, apart from his engineer the whole team ignored him. Apparently the "fly on the wall" reports that nobody COULD even look him in the eye.

When he entered the teams area including the motorhome everyone suddenly got busy. He then left and went over and spent time with Mclaren including entering the pitlane through the Mclaren garages and not the garages of the Ferrari team.

Ok Kimi hade birthday yesterday and there were not so many congratulators – maybe?
And it's possible – that some of the staff doesn’t feel that good depending what’s going on..
I don’t know.. But I can’t believe that Alonso who rules at Renault didn’t know why he made that very early pit stop last year in Singapore.. starting 15 on the greed.. I don’t like to be hateful against Alonso (I even have a cat I gave name Alonso :) , but I’m not stupid either.. I can’t believe that Alonso didn’t ask why I must take that yearly pit stop and that they said to him “because”..

But that’s only my opinion :)
18th October 2009, 12:29
ioan

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

But this whole issue is not ended yet because Briatore is currently seeking avenues through French the justice system and not the kangaroo court of the FIA.

Well he's trying with the wrong justice system, he should try with a corrupted one like the Italian system, the French will not help a cheater with a criminal record.
18th October 2009, 12:31
ioan

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Originally Posted by jas123f1

Ok Kimi hade birthday yesterday and there were not so many congratulators – maybe?
And it's possible – that some of the staff doesn’t feel that good depending what’s going on..
I don’t know.. But I can’t believe that Alonso who rules at Renault didn’t know why he made that very early pit stop last year in Singapore.. starting 15 on the greed.. I don’t like to be hateful against Alonso (I even have a cat I gave name Alonso :) , but I’m not stupid either.. I can’t believe that Alonso didn’t ask why I must take that yearly pit stop and that they said to him “because”..

But that’s only my opinion :)

Alonso certainly knew however Bernie was not going to throw away a huge fanbase like that of Alonso, so Alonso was cleared, it's as simple as that.
18th October 2009, 12:33
DexDexter

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well he's trying with the wrong justice system, he should try with a corrupted one like the Italian system, the French will not help a cheater with a criminal record.

Flav should have asked advice from Berlusconi, he's got exprerience of law changes and turning things around etc. :D
20th October 2009, 14:51
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

Toyota have made Kimi an offer, please don't take it Kimi its not all about the money..... :)

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=47241

My views are well documented. I think Kimi should go where the money is and then whenever S2000 cars become the premier class he should take his money and go rallying. But that's just my hopes ;)
20th October 2009, 14:56
I am evil Homer

It's really looking like McLaren or nothing for Kimi....Toyota can't even fully commit to F1
20th October 2009, 14:56
Daniel

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

It's really looking like McLaren or nothing for Kimi....Toyota can't even fully commit to F1

He should go with Toyota. Then he can get paid out for two contracts :cool:
20th October 2009, 15:00
harsha

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Originally Posted by Daniel

He should go with Toyota. Then he can get paid out for two contracts :cool:

you really want him to go rallying don't ya :D
20th October 2009, 15:02
Daniel

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Originally Posted by harsha

you really want him to go rallying don't ya :D

Yup :D
20th October 2009, 18:31
Langdale Forest

At least he will not melt as easy in the WRC. :p

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