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Renault Megane S2000 for the WRC soon?
The real question is who will replace Briatore and Symonds?
Will Renault be in any capacity to continue next year?
Blimey indeed, and may I add a blummin' 'eck!!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
So have they been pushed out so that Renault avoids any more negative publicity? Did one or both of them initiate the "race fix" idea? What of Piquet - does this do anything to help him? What happens to Briatore's legal action?
I care little for Briatore, but Pat Symonds? He's been around since the Toleman days and it's difficult to imagine him involved, but clearly he was involved in some way :dozey:
Holy ****!! Didn't see that one coming, fair play to the team for standing up and actually making a bold choice.
Renault "accept Guilt", Flav and Pat Symonds leave - expect Pat to fully implicate Flav at the WMSC hearing, Flav to take the liketime ban and Symonds to escape the ban due to immunity and crop up at hmm, lets say New Lotus with Mike Gascoyne?
as for Piquet, he is massivley tarnished, but (and its a big Butt) with the potential for 28 cars on the grid, a fat sponsors cheque and some F1 experience, Picquet may not be so out of it, could see him picking up a drive for a while with one of the new teams, purely as there are not many other options of drivers who have raced for winning teams available - if nothing else he'll be a barometer for new drivers in the team
I hate to be cynical but Renault have let them go in the hope that they'll get a much lighter punishment, a la 'lie-gate'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
agree with BeansX3 for this one,
def a damage control procedure by Renault
but....it's brilliant to see the back of Sleazy....is that the silver lining :p :
and one more thing,I wouldn't believe that Alonso wouldn't have knowledge of this before....he must have known about this...something like this can't be kept from another member of the team.
You think Renault will throw Dave Ryan under a bus? Why?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Briatore quits Renault as team decides 'not to dispute' fixing ...
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so i guess they will be out of the hands of Singapore police
All the same it's a fairly big moveQuote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
And a 'Chuffin' Nora' from me please..... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Both Britore and Symonds are gone!
Neither Briatore nor Symonds will be easy to replace.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
They were both #1 and #2 in charge at Benetton/Renault when they won 4 titles over the past 15 years, brilliant acheivements considering the much larger budgets at Williams, Ferrari and McLaren at different stages during that time.
Now, the problem the FIA face is as follows;Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
Who was responsible - Flavio, Piquet(s) or Pat?
I like to think Pat was acting under orders - and I understand that this does not excuse him - but I would find it easier to swallow if he was not the instigator.
Now, is it coincidence that Renault/Benetton have previous form - launch control that wasnt used but there nonetheless, fuel filters removed to increase flow, and now this....
Is there a common denomenator? Both Flavio and Pat were there at the time.
Also, was Alonso aware in respect of Singapore? Are we really expected to believe a driver of his undesputed calibre would not question not only such a light fuel load, but a pit stop two laps early????
I reckon DI Frost would have trouble working this one out, even with the help of Terry Reed!!!
Is there some who believe that Alonso didn't know of this? I don't think that's possible – and his tactic tells that he did know. He had very early pit stop and it’s not normally if you start that long back on the greed.
The question is now - what happens with him, I can not think that Alonso’s part of this mess will not come out - soon or later - and better soon and later. :s
I wonder what will happen with the WMSC hearing now. Will it still go ahead as planned?
I def don't think Piquet ... a rookie, would ever suggest to Flavio and Pat,that he should be allowed to crash.....
Another VERY valid point is this;
Massa lost the title last year by a gnats chuff. We have to take account of the botched traffic light pit release system, but, without the SC etc, would the Ferrari crew have been more relaxed?
Given Massa's current situation, his career could - and I so hope not - be destined to 'go for a Burton' if he is not the man he was.
He lost therefore theoretically his only realistic chance of becoming WDC...
All theoretical of course, but one man's greed has lost another man's well deserved reward.
And I am not taking anything away from Lewis here either.
Only one Piquet is a rookie remember.....Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
Interesting last paragraph on James Allen's blog;
With Briatore and McLaren’s Ron Dennis having now departed the scene in similar circumstances, there is only Sir Frank Williams of F1’s original big beasts, left in the sport. He has played a different game from his peers in recent years, sided with the FIA over the breakaway and not been a leading rebel in the FOTA breakaway.
What could Max do anyway, push Frank down a set of stadium steps a la OJ in Naked Gun? :D
Blimey. I'd expected Renault to plead some mitigation, they'd get a hefty find that would be that, not this!
Renault's future in F1 must be quite shaky now :s
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
going on that logic, Lewis could/should have scored 2 more points if Alonso had not won, and all F1 pitstops ar critical and pressured, so i doubt there would have been much change there. so you could argue that Lewis should have had 2 additional points (without the safety car Nico would not have been in front either and arguably thats a 4 point increase)
to many ifs and buts to work out what potentially could have changed in the result from a diffewrent course of action. if we open up that we may as well try to work out the alterntioves from all oft he stewards decisions (drive throughs etc) and any pit/driver mistakes from Ferrari, McLaren, or anyone else who finished ahead of either massa or hamilton last year.
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Originally Posted by Mark
i'd read all this as a sign of Renaults desire to stayu in the sport - if they were not that bothered why would they ship out Symonds and Flav. they can only hope that the act will add leniency to the WSMC decision. they can only have assumed that the evidence was too damning, or knew/found out that they were guilty and chose to come clean before making it worse by fighting.
brave move, but i think it will signal the continued existence of the Renault F1 team, rather than the ending of it.
if they do go there will be a lot of talented folks filling positions with Manor and Lotus very quickly
Is this a shoe in for Dave Richards or Prost?
Shocking but inevitable: Renault had to so something to minimise their punishment. A fine on the scale of McLaren's, or a ban, would almost certainly see the board pull out of F1 altogether.
This is simply damage limitation, it doesn't change the fact that they're not contesting the charges. I hope Briatore never sets foot in a race paddock again.
Would Prost want to go through all that again? Dave Richards, hmmmm, isn't he Prodrive/Aston contracted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
OK, sooooooo, is Alonso tainted goods now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Can the thread title be changed to show that they were fired and didn't resign? It's the truth after all.
Now? He always was - unsporting and petulant, and prone to hissy-fits if he's not the clear number one. However, he's one of the very best drivers in the sport so still has a phenomenal value to any team considering him. If I were courting him I'd be thinking that the price has just come down a few million.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
That's assuming, of course, that he knew nothing about this plot...
If Renault wanted to distance themselves from Flav and Pat and publicly dismiss them, a'la McLaren/Dave Ryan, rather than letting them resign of their own accord?
Were they though? The Renault statement only says that they've parted company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's like the old Yes Minister scenario: the Prime Minister accepts your resignation. What resignation? The one you're about to write.
When someone asks you to resign they're firing you. It's like Pino saying don't post ever again or I'll ban you. 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Flab and Pat got fired. Good and proper
Exactly. So they were fired :) If the official line was that they've chosen to leave F1 and pursue careers on Broadway it would still mean that they were fired.
That's certainly true, but if Flavio resigned then the truther is that Flavio resigned. Publicly saying that he got fired is a surefire way of being on the wrong end of one of him "criminal proceedings" - which, incidentally, I assume he now intends to drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Of course but let's not have the wool pulled over our eyes and see this as anything other than two very guilty men being fired regardless of whether it's dressed up as resignation or whatever.
I'm sure he'd argue that Singapore isn't a normal track either and the chances of a SC period were so great that his strategy made sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
That's going to be very interesting. Since Flav and Symonds were the main culprits and now they are gone, what are the grounds to prosecute the whole Renault F1 organisation if there is no proof of other people being involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
In my wildest dreams I cannot think of a single reason why Flavio, Symonds and Piquet Jr. thought they could get away with this. (My article: http://formula-1.suite101.com/articl...s_and_briatore)
Is there any other option for the FIA but to exclude all of them?
Evidently, they had a better than pretty good chance of getting away with it, hadn't the disgruntled Piquet spilled the beans on the whole scheme...