Rally History (part II)

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29th June 2007, 23:10
FAL

Re Circuit of Ireland 71. I think both Boyd and Sclater cars were BDA engines although both cars would have begun life as works TwinCams (as both were probably runing in Group6 as "prototypes" it is not strictly correct to say either was an "RS1600" or a "TwinCam").
B.Lee is Barry Lee, better known as a short oval track racer.
30th June 2007, 08:46
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows.......

1954
PAUL? Barbier - LUCIEN? Bianchi
René Cotton - JEAN LOUIS Lemerle

1955
WERNER Engel - H. Straub

Thanks in advance
Giorgio

That's what I can add
Regard
Janusz
30th June 2007, 08:50
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infiniti

Does anyone knows?
ERC 1971

ERC 5 – Circuit of Ireland 9-13 April

1 Adrian Boyd - Beattie Crawford Ford Escort TC
2 Chris Sclater – Martin Holmes Ford Escort RS
3 Billy Coleman - Dan O’Sullivan Ford Escort TC
4 Will Sparrow – Nigel Raeburn BMC Mini 1275 GT
5 B. Lee - J. Coles Ford Escort TC
6 L. Jönsson - A. Quist Saab 96 V4
7 Noel Smith - Des Flanagan BMC Mini Cooper S
8 Cecil Vard - Paul Phelan Porsche 911S
9 Mervyn & Harry Johnston BMC Mini Cooper S
10 Greg O'Gorman - L.J. White Ford Escort TC

Thanks in advanc

Piet

Regards
Janusz
30th June 2007, 09:12
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infiniti

And these rounds in the ERC 1971?

ERC 7 - Semperit Rally 3-5 June

1 Sandro Munari – John Davenport Lancia Fulvia HF
2
3 Sobieslaw Zasada – Jaroszewicz BMW 2002 Tti
4
5
6
7
8 G Fischer Volkswagen Beetle 1302S
9 Dr Georg Fischer Volkswagen Beetle 1302S
10
Here I have completely different order. Who can help us to solve the mystery and fill the blanks?
1. as above
2. Achim Warmbold - Joachim Dörfler BMW 2002TI
3. Reiner Zweibäumer - Wulf Biebinger BMW 2002TI
4-8. ????
9. Sobiesław Zasada - Andrzej Jaroszewicz BMW 2002TI
10.?
ERC 9 – Rally de Genève 16-20 June
I have nothing to add

ERC 12 - Danube Rally 12-15 August

1 Gunther Janger - Hans Siebert Volkswagen
2 Sobieslaw Zasada – Marian Bien BMW 2002
3 Walter Pöltinger - Johan=Hans Hartinger Porsche 911S
4 Vic Dietmayer - Hans Peter Moser BMW 2002TI
5 H. Bosch - H. Kohlbacher Mazda RX2
6 Hans Britth - Hans Reppling Opel Kadett Rallye
7 Carl Christian Schindler - Walter Wessiak VW 1302 S
8 Robert Mucha - Błażej Krupa Polski Fiat 125p 1500
9 Ryszard Żyszkowski - Piotr Mystkowski Polski Fiat 125p 1500
10 L. Iancovici - V. Ficiu R8 Gordini

ERC 17 - Thousand Minute Rally 15-17 October

1 Sandro Munari – Mario Mannucci Lancia Fulvia 1.6 HF
2 Günther Janger - Harald Gottlieb Volkswagen Beetle 1302S - 2nd I have: Raffaele Pinto - Helmut Eisendle Fiat 124 Spyder and Janger in 3rd
3
4 Sobieslaw Zasada - Marian Bien BMW 2002 Tti (I have in 5th and 4th is Luciano Trombotto - Gino Macaluso Fiat 124 Spyder)
6 Dr Gernot* Fischer – Wolfgang Tazl Volkswagen Beetle 1302S - *) there were 2 G.Fischers: Georg F. and Dr Gernot F.
6 Bisek – Neverla Volkswagen Beetle 1302S - I have not that crew at all
7 Georg Malat - Harald Gottlieb VW 1302S
8 Richard Bochnicek - Sepp-Dieter Kernmayer Citroen DS 21
9 Georg Fischer – Hans Siebert Volkswagen Kever 1302S - I have here Walter Lux - Kurt Nestinger Citroen DS21
10 Vic Dietmayer - Hans Peter Moser BMW 200TI
- 1000 Minutes Rally source was the rally site (I don't have it's address at the moment)

If someone can add some first names, everything is more than welcom

Regards,

Piet

I hope my additions are clear
Regards
Janusz
30th June 2007, 14:50
Giorgio

Thank you, Janusz !

Giorgio
30th June 2007, 14:57
dario

[quote="januszsz"][quote="dario"]
I have :
1. Staepelaere/Aerts - Cortina Lotus -
2. Fall / Liddon - Mini Cooper S + 50"
3. Ogier / Ogier - Panhard 24CT + 1'08"
4. Verrier / Syda - DS 21 + 1'29"
5. Bianchi / Vic - DS 21 + 2'47"
6. Larrousse / "Biche" - NSU 1100 TT + 3'30"
7. JJ. Thuner / J.Gretener Triumph Spitfire + 4'25"
8. P. Lier / Formige Hillman IMP + 8'31"
9. K. Ramu / C. Maurice Alfa Romeo + 8'49"
10. G. Theiler / E. Bechtel Mini Cooper + 11'14"
11. L. Pointet / J.Fougeray Panhard 24CT + 12'00"
12. H. Kleint / Klapproth Ford Taunus 20M + 13'00"
13. Freeborough / Krauklis Mini Cooper
14. D. Lambart / Zink Opel Kadett Coupè
15. ?
16. G. Klass / R. Wuterich Porsche 911 s + 30'03"
17. ?
18 ?
19 ?
20. B. Culchet / J. Syer Mini Cooper + 38'20"
21. O. Andersson / R. Dalhgren Lancia Flavia Coupè + 38'41"

Retired : P. Hopkirk / Harryman Mini Cooper - R. Neyret / J. Terramorsi DS 21 - R. Trautmann /C. Bouchet Lancia Flavia Coupè

MY source : Autosprint and the old forum

Best regards
Dario
30th June 2007, 16:13
FAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by dario

Quote:

Originally Posted by januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by dario

I have :
1. Staepelaere/Aerts - Cortina Lotus -
2. Fall / Liddon - Mini Cooper S + 50"
3. Ogier / Ogier - Panhard 24CT + 1'08"
4. Verrier / Syda - DS 21 + 1'29"
5. Bianchi / Vic - DS 21 + 2'47"
6. Larrousse / "Biche" - NSU 1100 TT + 3'30"
7. JJ. Thuner / J.Gretener Triumph Spitfire + 4'25"
8. P. Lier / Formige Hillman IMP + 8'31"
9. K. Ramu / C. Maurice Alfa Romeo + 8'49"
10. G. Theiler / E. Bechtel Mini Cooper + 11'14"
11. L. Pointet / J.Fougeray Panhard 24CT + 12'00"
12. H. Kleint / Klapproth Ford Taunus 20M + 13'00"
13. Freeborough / Krauklis Mini Cooper
14. D. Lambart / Zink Opel Kadett Coupè
15. ?
16. G. Klass / R. Wuterich Porsche 911 s + 30'03"
17. ?
18 ?
19 ?
20. B. Culchet / J. Syer Mini Cooper + 38'20"
21. O. Andersson / R. Dalhgren Lancia Flavia Coupè + 38'41"

Retired : P. Hopkirk / Harryman Mini Cooper - R. Neyret / J. Terramorsi DS 21 - R. Trautmann /C. Bouchet Lancia Flavia Coupè

MY source : Autosprint and the old forum

Best regards
Dario

If you want first names:
13. Bob Freeborough/Atis Krauklis
(and you probaly know 20. is Brian Culcheth/Jonstone Syer)
30th June 2007, 16:19
Juha

I have corrected a few errors in the list above an added some first names.

22. Tulip Rally 3-9 May
6 Ruben Börjesson – Marianne Sterner Opel Kadett

17. Rally de Lorraine 21-24 May
5 Claude Ballot-Lena – Jean-Claude Morenas Porsche 911
8 Marie Claude Beaumont – Martine de la Grandrive Opel GT

15. Tour de Franc 19-27 September
4 Guy Chasseuil – Christian Baron Porsche 911 S

Tour de Belgique 20-22 November
4 Amilcare Ballestrieri – Daniele Audetto Lancia Fulvia
5 René Tricot – Willy Lux Opel Commodore
7 Herwig Andriaenssens – Antoon Daemers BMW 2002
10 "Didi" – Lopes Fiat 903
30th June 2007, 16:21
Juha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infiniti

1. Bernard Munster - Jean François Elst Renault Clio Maxi
2. Bert de Jong - TonHillen Ford Escort RS Cosworth
3. Monin - Quevrain Ford Escort RS Cosworth

Regards,

Piet

Didier Monin - Michel Quevrain
30th June 2007, 17:53
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juha

Tour de Belgique 20-22 November
10 "Didi" – Lopes Fiat 903

That Fiat 903 - what it was? Is it possible that it was Fiat 127 (it has engine's capacity 903ccm).
Thank you all for contribution
Regards
Janusz
30th June 2007, 17:56
januszsz

About Rallye Routes du Nord. I saw it's name in that form: Rallye Chemines Nord. Does anybody know which name is correct?
Regards
Janusz
30th June 2007, 19:04
Giorgio

Very Thanks, Juha !

Regards

Giorgio
30th June 2007, 19:05
Giorgio

Someone knows.......

1956

???? Virton - ???? Berger
???? Schoters - ???? Hansez

1958

Georges Reip - ???? Velge

1959

???? Mottart - ???? Mottart
???? Lhote - ???? di Cocco

1960

Christian Poirot - ???? Guillemin
???? Charly - ???? Chaslin
Georges Hacquin - ???? Jacquemin

1961

???? Ruiters (Alfa Romeo)
???? Marinetto (Porsche)
Roger de Lageneste - ???? Burglin
???? Druylants - ???? Ghellynck
???? Rome - ???? Maillard
???? van den Houte - ???? Harris

1962

Gilbert Staepelaere - ???? Neuwissen
???? Romedene - ???? Rognier

Thanks in advance

Giorgio
30th June 2007, 19:29
Giorgio

Quote:

Originally Posted by januszsz

About Rallye Routes du Nord. I saw it's name in that form: Rallye Chemines Nord. Does anybody know which name is correct?
Regards
Janusz

Is correct: Rallye Routes du Nord

21 maggio 1951
France

1° Rally du Textile
Start: Lille
Finish: Lille

km. 640
touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. Soulary - Campion (Citroen Traction)
2. Jacques Pollet (Simca 8)
3. Guy Lapchin (Dyna Panhard)

first edition - In 1952 change name in "Rallye Routes du Nord"

------------------------------------------------

1-2 marzo 1952
France

2° Rally Routes du Nord
Start: Lille
Finish: Lille

sport cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. Guy Lapchin - Mme Lapchin (Renault 750 cc)
2. R. Meignen (Dyna Panhard 750 cc)
3. J. Blanchet (Dyna Panhard 750 cc)

Best regards

Giorgio
30th June 2007, 21:56
Juha

Quote:

Originally Posted by januszsz

That Fiat 903 - what it was? Is it possible that it was Fiat 127 (it has engine's capacity 903ccm).
Thank you all for contribution
Regards
Janusz

I don't know but it seems very likely.
1st July 2007, 00:46
Jarek Z

Does anybody know since when Ypres Rally is in the European Championship? I remember it was in ERC in 1995, but when was the first year?
1st July 2007, 10:07
januszsz

Since 1974.
Regards
Janusz
1st July 2007, 10:22
Jarek Z

Thank you very much Janusz!
1st July 2007, 10:37
Giorgio

Someone knows the date of the first edition for the Donau Rally ??

Thanks in advance

Giorgio
1st July 2007, 10:58
Carles Bosch 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows the date of the first edition for the Donau Rally ??

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

According to my database, the '66 issue was the 3rd...

Carles.
1st July 2007, 18:19
Giorgio

Carles, you have the dates for 1964 and 1965 ?

Giorgio
1st July 2007, 18:46
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio

Carles, you have the dates for 1964 and 1965 ?

Giorgio

Here you can see what I found about:
The Rallye of Romania (Raliul Romaniei) Is the most prestigeous romanian rally. At the begining, the route was along the Danube, and the rallye's name was The Danube Rallye-Dacia . Then it changed to The Rallye of Romania. First race was in 1964 and the number of cars was 45. The winner was: at Tourism class - W.Roser-Cr. Staffner(Steyr-Puch), at GT class - F. Herborn-R. Altman (Porsche Carrera) and at Rallye class - A. Hohlheimer - B. Hermann (Fiat 1300). In 1973, Walter Rohrl(Opel Ascona) won this rally ahead of Sandro Munari(Lancia Fulvia HF) and Fiat official team (Fiat 124 Abarth).
First romanian victory was in 1987 (Ludovic Balint-Constantin Zarnescu).
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4582/sport.htm
1st July 2007, 18:55
Giorgio

Thank you, Janusz !

Best Regards

Giorgio
1st July 2007, 18:55
januszsz

There is also something more, but no dates at all:
The winners of all editions are:
1964 - A. Hohlheimer (Fiat 1300)
1965 - A. Pilhatsch - P. Lederer (BMW 1800TI).
1966 - W Potlinger on VW 1500
1967 - Tony Fall
1968 - Pauli Toivonen
1969 - W. Potlinger Porsche 911T
1970 and 1971 - Gunther Janger, Porsche 911S
1973 and 1974 - Walter Rohrl ,Opel Ascona (Sandro Munari ran this rallye in 1973)
1976 and 1977 - Ilia Ciubrikov, Renault 17 Gordini and R5 Alpine
1978 - F. Wittman, Opel Kadett GTE
1979 - Vaclav Blahna, Skoda 130RS
1980 - M. Pregliasco, Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV Turbo
1981 - Attila Ferjancz, Renault 5 Alpine
1982 - Leo Pavlik, Renault 5 Alpine
1983, 1984 and 1985- Attila Ferjancz, Renault 5 Turbo.
1986 - Bolsih-Bolsih, Lada Nova VFTS
1987 - Ludovic Balint-Constantin Zarnescu, Dacia 1310 - the first romanian win and first romanian car victory.
1989 - T. Seger, Lada Samara
1990 - S. Golov- V. Kolchugin, Lada Samara
1991 and 1992 - Rumeau-Campa, Peugeot 205 GTI
1993 - M. Tarabassi-G. Decour, Lancia Delta Integrale 16v
1994 - Berti-B. Serra, Lancia Delta Integrale
1995 and 1996 Laszlo Ranga, Ford Escort Cosworth and Subaru Impreza
1997 - Constantin Aur, Toyota Celica.
1998- Jasen Popov, Ford Escort WRC
1999- no rally
2000- George Grigorescu, Renault Maxi Megane
http://www.geocities.com/valibrad/romania.htm
Regards
Janusz
1st July 2007, 20:55
Infiniti

Quote:

Originally Posted by januszsz

I hope my additions are clear
Regards
Janusz

Many thanks Janusz.

Piet
1st July 2007, 21:25
Infiniti

Quote:

Originally Posted by januszsz

I hope my additions are clear
Regards
Janusz

Perhaps this will help something.
http://www.rallybugs.com/results.htm

Piet
1st July 2007, 22:00
rmprotune

trifels 1964

Hello everyone,new to the forums.
I have recently purchassed a 1964 morris mini cooper s sold in germany in march of 64 and the previous owner has told me that the car was entered in the XI Trifels rallye in 1964 .I have the navigators name ( Robert Feist ) USAF officer stationed in Germany at the time ,but I am missing the drivers name and results. Any help with be greatly apricciated . ps the car was entered as G1 and it was white with a black roof with number 44 on the door ,I have also found a pic of the car on the Karussel at Nurburgring. while restoring the car I found a document tucked behind the door card , it is writen in German and I can't make it out bu it says :
AUTOMOBILCLUB VON DETCHLAND
ALLGEMEINER DEUTSCER AUTOMOBIL- CLUB
ONS
OBERSTE NATIONALE SPORTKOMMISSION
FUR DEN AUTOMOBLISPORT
IN DEUTSCHALAND
FRANKFURT A. M., WEISENHUTTENSTRABE 10
nr 2989, rodalben/pfalz ringster.27 dated july 1964
2nd July 2007, 10:53
Giorgio

Very thanks, Janusz ! you knows if the editions 1972 - 1975 - 1988 are cancelled ?

Best regards

Giorgio

P.S. A document for the edition 1967
2nd July 2007, 10:59
Giorgio

Romania - Donau (Danube) Rallye

Very thanks, Janusz ! you knows if the editions 1972 - 1975 - 1988 are cancelled ?

Best regards

Giorgio

P.S. A document for the edition 1967:
2nd July 2007, 23:56
januszsz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giorgio

Very thanks, Janusz ! you knows if the editions 1972 - 1975 - 1988 are cancelled ?
Best regards
Giorgio
P.S. A document for the edition 1967:

Yes, it looks that in 1972, 1975 and 1988 the rally was not held.
Regards
Janusz
3rd July 2007, 09:49
Giorgio

Many Thanks, Janusz!

Best regards

Giorgio
3rd July 2007, 09:51
Giorgio

Belgium

Someone knows.......

1963

Louis Chardin - ???? Pasquier
P. Duperray - G???? Duperray
???? Depaquit - ???? Avril
Georges Hacquin - ???? Heboutte

1964

???? Mordel - ???? Barbara
???? Jitay - ???? Noiret
Louis Chardin - ???? Depalnit
Claude Le Guézec (or Leguézec ???? - Jean Hébert
???? Delaine - ???? Veron (Jaguar)

1965

Jean-Pierre Vandermeersch - R???? Roegiers
???? Vancauwenberghe - Werner Declerck
???? Ommeganck - ???? Meeusen (Innocenti 950 Spider)

1966

???? Dhondt - ???? Vandecaveye
???? Hercot - ???? de Rosée

1967

???? Hervé - Werner Declerck
???? Demarcin - ???? Vloebergs
???? Missine - ???? Vandeputte (Lotus Elan)

1968

"Kycyphroth" (???? ????) - ???? Cypik
???? Vautrin - ???? Huot
???? Piero - ???? Jeantil

Thanks in advance

Giorgio
3rd July 2007, 14:15
FAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmprotune

Hello everyone,new to the forums.
I have recently purchassed a 1964 morris mini cooper s sold in germany in march of 64 and the previous owner has told me that the car was entered in the XI Trifels rallye in 1964 .I have the navigators name ( Robert Feist ) USAF officer stationed in Germany at the time ,but I am missing the drivers name and results. Any help with be greatly apricciated . ps the car was entered as G1 and it was white with a black roof with number 44 on the door ,I have also found a pic of the car on the Karussel at Nurburgring. while restoring the car I found a document tucked behind the door card , it is writen in German and I can't make it out bu it says :
AUTOMOBILCLUB VON DETCHLAND
ALLGEMEINER DEUTSCER AUTOMOBIL- CLUB
ONS
OBERSTE NATIONALE SPORTKOMMISSION
FUR DEN AUTOMOBLISPORT
IN DEUTSCHALAND
FRANKFURT A. M., WEISENHUTTENSTRABE 10
nr 2989, rodalben/pfalz ringster.27 dated july 1964

I'm sure someone from Germany with results records will be able to help. I do not speak German but the wording effectively says "German Automobile Club. National Governing Body for Motorsport in Germany". I'm not sure whether the last line is an address or some sort of registration of the car for motorsport.
What engine size is it (1071cc or 970 or 1275)? "Dry" (not Hydrolastic) suspension? If it competed in Group 1 then, the only modifications allowed would have been, I think, a maximum of 2 additional front lights.
3rd July 2007, 14:48
jrally

Happy Birthday, infiniti !

Drink one for me, ok ?

All the best
Regards
jorge
3rd July 2007, 16:31
rmprotune

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAL

I'm sure someone from Germany with results records will be able to help. I do not speak German but the wording effectively says "German Automobile Club. National Governing Body for Motorsport in Germany". I'm not sure whether the last line is an address or some sort of registration of the car for motorsport.
What engine size is it (1071cc or 970 or 1275)? "Dry" (not Hydrolastic) suspension? If it competed in Group 1 then, the only modifications allowed would have been, I think, a maximum of 2 additional front lights.

Thanks for replying. the car was built in may 1964, it is has the rubber cone suspension and the engine size is 1275cc with the early dump tube open crankcase breather and the vertical oil cooler under the generator. acording to the chassis number it would be the the 43rd cooper S built with the 1275cc. I've searche for a while now and it seems to me that most of the 1964 info on rallying got swalowed buy the bmc win at monte carlo.
3rd July 2007, 21:07
FAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmprotune

Thanks for replying. the car was built in may 1964, it is has the rubber cone suspension and the engine size is 1275cc with the early dump tube open crankcase breather and the vertical oil cooler under the generator. acording to the chassis number it would be the the 43rd cooper S built with the 1275cc. I've searche for a while now and it seems to me that most of the 1964 info on rallying got swalowed buy the bmc win at monte carlo.

OK, that was what was at the back of my mind - that the Cooper S was not homologated in Group 1 until later (1275 only ever was), so "G1" seems likely to refer to a German national class, not the FIA Grouping (which might help narrow it down for anyone who has results). (The oil cooler was not fitted as standard until later either - only just in time for 1966 I think - so if Trifels 64 was an International event, the car ran in Group 2 or 3 of the old Appendix J)
4th July 2007, 08:33
rmprotune

I also have a document wich points out the car was shiped to Great Britain and worked on by Alexander tuning later that year and the engine was rebuilt to G2 specs. possibilaty the oil cooler was installed then???
4th July 2007, 09:46
Giorgio

Belgium

Someone knows.......

1969

???? Deprez - ???? Bertinchamps
???? Onyn - ???? Wauters

1970

Claude Laurent - ???? Milani

1971

Claude Laurent - P???? Hammelrath
Jean-Paul Rieu - ???? Bourguignon
"Chavan" (Charles van Stalle) - ???? Loyens

1972

???? Kridel - ???? Brandenburger
Jean-Louis Goblet - ???? Derosée

1974

Rudolf Moortgat - "Andy" (???? ????)
???? Louvay - ???? Hendrickx
???? Darimont - ???? Nys
???? Braillard - Willy Lux
???? Engels - ???? du Bulde

1975

Pierre Rouget - ???? Chonez
Heinz Walter Schewe - ???? Petersen
???? Levaux - ???? Moers

Thanks in advance

Giorgio
4th July 2007, 12:30
Juha

1972
Aloys (often mentioned as Ali) Kridel (lux) - Jos Brandenburger (lux)

1974
Willy Braillard (b) - Willy Lux (b)

1975
Jean-Pierre Rouget (fr) - Patrice Chonez (fr)
4th July 2007, 14:21
Giorgio

Very thanks, Juha!

Regards

Giorgio

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