Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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22nd October 2007, 06:02
tinchote

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Originally Posted by Cozzie

DISQUALIFY THEM! They're outside the regulations so it's not the McLaren's who are the cheats. The decision not to penalise them is the injustice. Then again maybe I'm just one sided and angry :(

Yeah, disqualify the Williams and BMWs, and then give LH the 1 minute penalty that he deserves for Friday's "honest mistake" :rolleyes:
22nd October 2007, 06:16
Hondo

It would be amusing, from an ironic standpoint, if Hamilton was awarded the WDC after McLaren's appeal. After all, I believe it was Ferrari that raised so much hell about how a team could be found in violation of regulations and not be penalized earlier in the season. Wonder if they will raise hell about it now?

Might be some chickens heading home to roost.
22nd October 2007, 06:18
F1boat

If FIA has a sense of humour, it will take the constructors points from BMW and Williams, leaving th standgings unaffected. This appeal shows how desperate are the Mclarens. The know that this title will be awful PR and will make Lewis villain. Could mean that they are behind shedule with 2008 car.
But it will be injustice to Kimi. It won't be fair.
22nd October 2007, 07:12
osg

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Well they got what they started---a big mess all as a result of RD and his "equality" policy cost them....say what you will, if they had gone with experience instead of potential and "equality", then they would have a wdc right now...probably two races ago

Instead Freddie found himself semi-number two/one---and LH made a big stink at the Monaco and got his way...then we had the pit stop in Qualifying, with another big stink by LH which began when he disobeyed his orders like a spoiled brat, and poppa mouthed off.....Put the pole back to FA and he wins or finishes second....weeelll now...

Then today, the story is Mac has already has a WDC....instead, Freddie gets mad and does his blackmail number...maxie gets the call, and 100 million dollars later.....

Blame Freddie all you want, but it was the actions of LH that started the brouhahaha, first at Monaco and then later about the paddle/pit...leave that out of the picture and Mac has a wdc AND MAYBE the WCC, plus maybe an extra 100 million in its pockets

Freeddie may be a psycho, but MAc hired him, and then let LH throw the lit match on the gasoline...the rest is history..... :s mokin:

spot on markabilly.... you sir are a god amongst men here. words of a genius.
22nd October 2007, 07:39
DonnieDarco

Ron I hope will rethink this insane decision to appeal, given that his drivers got off scot free when at least one of them was knowingly cheating.

After a good night's sleep he will hopefully realise its suicide to try this now.

And I would expect Lewis to come out and say he would refuse the title if they took it away from Kimi.
22nd October 2007, 08:04
wmcot

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Originally Posted by Cozzie

DISQUALIFY THEM! They're outside the regulations so it's not the McLaren's who are the cheats. The decision not to penalise them is the injustice. Then again maybe I'm just one sided and angry :(

OK, let's make it fair for all - DQ Heidfeld, Kubica, and Rosberg for low fuel temps and then DQ Alonso and Hamilton for the use of Ferrari data. Finally DQ Ron Dennis as being a human and then DQ Bernie and Max as being insane. That should take care of this season!
22nd October 2007, 08:07
janneppi

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Originally Posted by F1boat

If FIA has a sense of humour, it will take the constructors points from BMW and Williams, leaving th standgings unaffected. This appeal shows how desperate are the Mclarens. The know that this title will be awful PR and will make Lewis villain. Could mean that they are behind shedule with 2008 car.
But it will be injustice to Kimi. It won't be fair.

Apparently there is a precedent, 12 years ago M Schumacher and Coulthard were driving with "illegal" fuel, Williams and Ferrari lost manufacturers points but drivers points remained.

This explains why I didn' get sleep until three am, I went to bed half past 11 but couldn't get any sleep. Somehow I knew something was wrong. :D
22nd October 2007, 08:08
wmcot

Wow, what a concept! On a day where temps are 35C (97F) fuel is at a lower temp than the air temp. When I fill my tank on a 97F summer day, I hope the fuel coming out of the pump is more than 10 degrees lower than ambient. Similarly, in the winter when the temp is 0F, I hope the fuel is higher than ambient.

But that's common sense and that is one concept that never applies to F1!
22nd October 2007, 08:12
Hawkmoon

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

It would be amusing, from an ironic standpoint, if Hamilton was awarded the WDC after McLaren's appeal. After all, I believe it was Ferrari that raised so much hell about how a team could be found in violation of regulations and not be penalized earlier in the season. Wonder if they will raise hell about it now?

Might be some chickens heading home to roost.

Yes, and those chickens will be roosting down Woking way. McLaren have benefitted from their drivers escaping the teams punishment. Why should BMW and Williams expect any less for their drivers.

We have decisions that go both ways. In '95 Schumacher and Coulthard were left with their points from that years Brazilian GP after their teams were disqualified for fuel irregularities. In the opposite corner, we have both Honda drivers being excluded, along with the team, over the fuel tank issue at Imola '05. So which, if any, sets a precedent?

The most recent, and biggest case, is the Stepney-gate ruling. McLaren's drivers were set appart from the team. It would be somewhat hypocritical of Ron to expect that BMW and William's drivers share the fate of their teams, would it not?
22nd October 2007, 08:13
markabilly

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Originally Posted by Zico

You talk much pish.. What u smokin?

Nothing.

I just have not been drinkin the kool aid as I said before hamilton did it all to bring it down on his team...pure and simple, add the last two races together....

To say nothing of the big nonsense, when he decided to disobey the arrangment as to who would pit and so forth at Qualifying with Mac, after having received the very same benefits before, the resultant paddle incident, the fussing at RD, setting off FA who then blows up at Hamilton but the whole thing costing FA five grid places, but as a result of this loss, FA threatens RD with disclosure of the cheating if Mac lets this go on....so RD decides to call MAx and then everything goes downhill, No WCC and no WCC points.....and now no WDC...

Thanks
Louie, you managed to screw your own team, and they have not figured it out yet, but there you are, mouthing off in Brazil as though you had already won.....

The rest of you Hamilton fans, drink your kool aid and blame the Spanard for Hamster's own failures, just like you been doing... :rolleyes:

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