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foxes are vermin. Pure and simple. They spread disease, cause crashes, needlessly kill poultry and lambs. Im glad they banned fox hunting so we can eliminate this pest with no reason to artificially maintain the population.
You hate foxes but you re glad that the government banned fox hunting ? I didnt know that foxes were reared, along with pheasants, for the sole purpose of hunting.
It is about fox hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
What do you say to someone who says animal rights are as important as human rights? Is that stupid or not?
It's not a hard question, just a yes or no will do :up:
I look forward to hearing your thoughts, or just your yes/no - as you see fit :)
Stop bullying people raphael :laugh:
:laugh: I think your taking a shine to me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
I wouldn't say asking a poster on this topic for their opinion, which is related to the topic, is bulllying :)
I'm just interested in what Schemke has to say, which is a compliment to him :)
Jon, as you seem to be interested, what do you think fella, what do you say to someone who says animal rights are as important as human rights? Is that stupid or not?
You are in a burning house and you can only help one being, one is a friend (human) and the other is a family pet. Which one would you save? Personally I think the answer is clear and means that I respect the interests of people more than the interests of animals, even though I love the family pet.Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
lol. Very nice. But I asked what do you say to someone who says animal rights are as important as human rights? Is that stupid or not? Just say yes or no if you want, if you want to explain why your answer is yes or no...go for it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
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Originally Posted by sxis
So, if you did see this happen, why didn't I read about it being prosecuted on? You saw it and didn't let the RSPCA know? You are as guilty of cruelty as the people who did it in that case :(
Or did you see it on one of the LACS 1970's videos on TV? If you did, it was prosecuted on and the people responsible were sacked. As they should be.
If you have Hunted for as long as I have you'd know better than to judge all Hunting on one moron's actions shown by an anti-Hunt group :mark:
Raphael, I can't be bothered quoting you and answering. You're twisting words and implications far too much and taking life far too seriously.
By the way, I didn't stereotype townies when I said they get a country dog and then wonder why it isn't happy in town situations - Beans actually did just that. I note he's not been man enough to own up and explain that to you, so I have now. Five minutes of research on the subject and townies would know some types of country dog/life/thinking/etc just won't work in the suburbs. You should try reversing that raphael ;)
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Originally Posted by raphael123
I said before, if they say that, I think they are lying. My answer about the burning house explains that I think that view is strange (maybe stupid :\ )
I just find it incomprehensible that someone would save an animals life before saving a human life.
Eki, sorry I forgot to address your posts about lambs being kept in.
Perhaps on lowland farms they can be, for a few days, but in the majority of sheep farming keeping them indoors for more than two or three days is impossible. Some sheep never spend a day under cover in their life, so they'd freak for starters. Being terrified while heavily pregnant or with a lamb beside them isn't exactly offering them good care, is it? But that's the least of their problems when it comes to being indoors....
....sheep need fresh air, so the buildings would allow foxes in anyway as they'd be about 30-50% open (as most sheep housing is as the moment). UK sheep farmers tend to have a large area with a roof and two sides that are part latted with wood and 10cm(ish) gaps, then an open gated front and rear. That way it's dry but cool, airy but not draughty. You can't fox proof a building like that.
Stronger buildings would be far too costly to build and maintain.
Sheep also need to stay on a regular diet and bringing them in for ages changes the diet just when they are giving birth and producing milk. Then when they go out again and the diet changes, lambs show a check in growth. That means they have to be kept longer to make a suitable size for slaughter and we'd end up with more store lambs reaching adulthood before they're big enough to eat. Nasty fact, but true. If they don't grow well and evenly you can't call them quality meat.
They also develop better when outside running about. Barns wouldn't allow enough freedom of movement. They also harbour disease better than fields, so more chemicals would be used to keep the animals indoors healthy.
I'm no sheep farming expert, but the principles are the same for most grazing animals. You can't breed good horses indoors, nor anything but veal calves and blandly flavoured crossbred calves. In highland sheep farms they can't have any buildings at all for miles sometimes thanks to townies (yes, them again) moaning about how it looks on the pretty hillsides, so I guess many of their sheep just give birth behind some heather and take their chances.