Situation in Ukraine

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Originally Posted by zako85

..... And yes, I believe in sovereignty of a nation, but not always when it's a half failed chaotic nation that's being pushed by very much stronger special interests from abroad. .....

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Oh, I think I get it. You mean like Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, the two Congos, Syria and the Central African Republic just to name some of the first ones that come to mind. Not all are prime players as proxies for other countries but all most definitely qualify as "failed chaotic nations". So I should assume that all are ripe for picking by any neighbor who wishes to take over? All of those countries also have citizens of their neighbors living in them, so they are prime places to be "Putined".

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Do you not believe in the sovereignty of a nation?

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do you not believe they are able to vote?? Plus they are a sovereign nation as a result of the vote

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Originally Posted by Starter

Oh, I think I get it. You mean like Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, the two Congos, Syria and the Central African Republic just to name some of the first ones that come to mind. Not all are prime players as proxies for other countries but all most definitely qualify as "failed chaotic nations". So I should assume that all are ripe for picking by any neighbor who wishes to take over? All of those countries also have citizens of their neighbors living in them, so they are prime places to be "Putined".

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That's right. In that part of world, the weak will always be taken advantage of. It may be morally wrong, but it's part of human nature, or as some people would say, simple realpolitik. If Ukraine wants to move forward, its people and politicians coming from all sorts of ends of spectrum should say we are one people and we will work together towards a common goal. But instead, the center stage of politics is dominated by populist and highly divisive demagogues from extreme fringes of the politics and society, and most are just pawns in the hands of Ukrainian oligarch class. Here is another fresh video from Ukrainian Rada:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7-nwKa4DlY

and a 10 years old but still quite relevant commentary from the contributors of now dead English language exile.ru:

http://exiledonline.com/ukraine-the-gogolean-bordello/

Now that the annexation is complete. At what point do the maps get redrawn? Or do they ever?

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Originally Posted by Mark

Now that the annexation is complete. At what point do the maps get redrawn? Or do they ever?

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These days all the maps are drawn in pencil.

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Originally Posted by Starter

These days all the maps are drawn in pencil.

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Has it not ever been thus?

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Originally Posted by Mark

Has it not ever been thus?

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I am with the Euros on this deal - Who gives a sh!t - fire up my heater

So Russia have been excluded from G8 or should I say G7 now. so will this hold do you think?

Also what will Russia do if lots of countries stop buying from them?

Do you think Russia have plans for there next conquest?

All questions which are worrying.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

So Russia have been excluded from G8 or should I say G7 now. so will this hold do you think?

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Should have been done when the first Russian soldier set foot in Crimea.

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Also what will Russia do if lots of countries stop buying from them?

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Unlikely this will happen.

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Do you think Russia have plans for there next conquest?

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Yes. First eastern Ukraine then Moldavia.
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All questions which are worrying.

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Europe should stop worrying and start acting. Either that or start learning to speak Russian.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Yes. First eastern Ukraine then Moldavia.

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What?
Moldova is ROMANIAN territory.

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Europe should stop worrying and start acting. Either that or start learning to speak Russian.

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I'm ready. I've already studied it for about 4 years. Difficult language.....