another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Starter

What if the intruder's gun jammed or he forgot to load it? Ifs and buts do not make a world you can reasonably live in. I prefer SOME chance as opposed to NO chance. And that's just the difference in our takes on life.

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One might say that another difference is that you're more frightened of the potential incident than we are.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Clearly, though, millions of people play them with no ill effect.

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And 47 some million Americans own guns with the hugely vast majority never shooting anyone.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Absolutely and no question. Where you draw that line is the difference between some societies.

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And it's in the drawing of that line that paranoia, a national fear/victim complex, or whatever, can begin to set in.

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Originally Posted by Starter

And 47 some million Americans own guns with the hugely vast majority never shooting anyone.

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I knew someone would probably make this comparison. I would suggest that the danger inherent in a gun is somewhat greater than that of a video game. I would also suggest that the possession of a video game demonstrates rather less negative personal qualities than does the possession of a gun.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Would you rather events such as those of yesterday kept on occurring if it's the price that has to be paid as part of retaining your guns?

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Please clarify. Do you mean legally retaining my guns? The answer is "yes" as compared to the alternative.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

One might say that another difference is that you're more frightened of the potential incident than we are.

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Do you buy life insurance, fire insurance or auto insurance? Your chances of needing either are small (else the insurance companies would go out of business). Does that mean you are frightened?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Says the man whose experience of Europe comes almost exclusively from Google searches and right-wing American news outlets.

I can tell you for sure that I don't feel the need to be protected to anything like the degree you clearly require.

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That is what the Poles Said in 1939. The French in 1940. Eastern Europe in 1945. Northern Ireland in 1972-75,76 & 93. The Israeli Olympic Team in 1972. Hungerford England in 1987. Turks in Cyrpus in 1974, Croatia in 1991. Bosnia in 1995. Scotland in 1996. Norway in 2011. .........Shall I go on?

How to stop a Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZod2qyyN4


What have we learned by that video.

That our Grandfathers are braver than the typical European.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Says the man whose experience of Europe comes almost exclusively from Google searches and right-wing American news outlets.

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Now this is laughable coming from the man from Germany who continues to enlighten us on his expertise on America and how we think and feel. You familiar with the phrase 'The pot calling the kettle black'?

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Originally Posted by Starter

Had there been armed teachers or administrators there, things might have gone somewhat differently. I say might because no one can assure any sequence of events in a "might of" world.

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Bollocks.
Had this person not had access to or been in a society which doesn't have guns as widespread, it probably wouldn't have happened at all. Incidentally there was an armed teacher... her son got hold of one and shot 20 children, her and five other people.

No-one can assure any sequence of events in a "might of" world but you can increase or decrease the likelihood of events in a "might of" world by changing the rules which govern it.