Same Sex Marriage

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Your notions regarding how a gay couple would bring up children are based solely on your own homophobic prejudices — specifically, your lack of any sense of realisation that gay people aren't that different to anyone else. All of the situations you describe would be dealt with by a gay couple in the manner in which they saw fit, just as would any other parent or parents. If a child with two fathers gets bullied for that reason, whose fault is that? If a child grows up believing that having two mothers or two fathers is normal — good.

Believe me, I would rather a child was brought up by two fathers or two mothers than a heterosexual couple with bigoted attitudes and closed minds any day.

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Bigoted to you, with a chip on your shoulder because (you think)the whole world is against you, when actually, I see things from a heterosexual point of view.

If that's your idea of a bigot, then fine.

Your attitude stinks, you act like you have no tolerance to other points of view. Isn't that what you are getting on your high horse about 'homophobia'. Again, you are right, no one else is.

Hypocritical methinks.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

what you say sometimes has, at the very least, racist or homophobic overtones.

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Not at all. It depends upon how paranoid and insecure the person reading it is, and exactly what they make of it.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It's hardly a 'modern term'. And maybe the fact that, as you've noticed before, you often get accused of racism and homophobia on here is because what you say sometimes has, at the very least, racist or homophobic overtones.



But why do you disagree with same-sex marriages in a church setting? What actual damage would it do, were they to be allowed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you're especially religious, are you? If that is the case, why this view of yours that the sanctity of church marriage needs to be preserved? There must be an underlying reason behind it.

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What changes if the church does allow same sex marriage?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Bigoted to you, with a chip on your soldier because (you think)the whole world is against you

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I don't, actually, because I'm confident that gay marriage will be legalised in the UK.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I see things from a heterosexual point of view.

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Rubbish. Yours is one point of view; not all heterosexuals would agree with you, thankfully.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Your attitude stinks, you act like you have no tolerance to other points of view. Isn't that what you are getting on your high horse about 'homophobia'. Again, you are right, no one else is.

Hypocritical methinks.

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On this issue, I have no tolerance at all for your view, because I find it very personally offensive that you think I shouldn't get married or adopt kids — especially the latter, given that you believe that I and others like me would actually do damage to a child's prospects. Does this make me hypocritical? No. My lack of tolerance is towards one viewpoint. Your lack of tolerance is towards a whole group of people and is based on nothing more than simple unfounded prejudice. I know with which I'm more comfortable.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

What changes if the church does allow same sex marriage?

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Same-sex couples stop being discriminated against. Quite a big thing.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It's hardly a 'modern term'. And maybe the fact that, as you've noticed before, you often get accused of racism and homophobia on here is because what you say sometimes has, at the very least, racist or homophobic overtones.

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That is because you and others are always too quick jumping to the wrong conclusion. Always the extreme. You don't seem aware it is possible to have a strong opinion, that disagrees with your views, that isn't such an extreme.

Unfortunately, this is part of society now. If somebody dares to disagree with something - then the extreme is always the point that is gone to. Be it sexism, racism or homophobia.

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But why do you disagree with same-sex marriages in a church setting? What actual damage would it do, were they to be allowed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you're especially religious, are you? If that is the case, why this view of yours that the sanctity of church marriage needs to be preserved? There must be an underlying reason behind it.

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It doesn't sit well with me if I'm honest. I just think it is one step too far. What is the matter with civil partnerships and why this sudden need to get married in a church! I'm sorry but that is as much of an answer you're getting from me.

I know you want more eloquent and better-based opinions from me, but thats as good as its getting! That is my opinion, end of.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Not at all. It depends upon how paranoid and insecure the person reading it is, and exactly what they make of it.

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Again, complete rot. If your attitude was true, no-one would ever be categorised as racist or homophobic, because the fault would always lie with the person being offended.

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Originally Posted by Bezza

It doesn't sit well with me if I'm honest. I just think it is one step too far. What is the matter with civil partnerships and why this sudden need to get married in a church! I'm sorry but that is as much of an answer you're getting from me.

I know you want more eloquent and better-based opinions from me, but thats as good as its getting! That is my opinion, end of.

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You'll forgive me when I say that this is a really weak argument. I suspect you know it is, too.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

You'll forgive me when I say that this is a really weak argument. I suspect you know it is, too.

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I don't care what type of argument it is. In your eyes, it devalues my opinion. If you feel like that, fine. But this is not a contest and there is no quiz at the end of the debate.

People have feelings and opinions can be based on feelings too you know. Would you say Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver of all time just because he has won more races than anybody else?

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Originally Posted by Bezza

I don't care what type of argument it is. In your eyes, it devalues my opinion. If you feel like that, fine. But this is not a contest and there is no quiz at the end of the debate.

People have feelings and opinions can be based on feelings too you know. Would you say Michael Schumacher is the greatest F1 driver of all time just because he has won more races than anybody else?

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Certainly not. But, in that scenario, I could at least offer some opinions as to why.