Sutil will stand trial in a German court later this month

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

If he had said he would be attending , would there have been a need to subpeona him?

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If he had been required to attend but didn't, then he'd have been subpoena'd. If there is video evidence, you'd imagine a judge would be able to determine whether or not those in proximity would be useful as witnesses.

I guess we ought to take the judges word in this case. Of course, the Sutil's see it differently - there's a thing, eh?

So now we have an appeal from the Sutil's in the blue corner, and an appeal from the fuzz in the red corner who feel the sentence was too lenient.

Maybe we should pass this on to TV Burp and let Harry Hill be the judge....... 'FIGHT'!!!!!

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

With respect Bagwan, throughout this thread you have provided little but speculation and conjecture which appears to be designed solely to implicate one individual who is not, has not, and will not be on trial in connection with this matter.

Your reasons for that are your own and I simply do not understand them.

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"one individual who is not, has not, and will not be on trial in connection with this matter."

If , in fact , Hamilton's original statement was not the truth , then I would suggest he will indeed be involved deeper than he wishes .
If my speculation is true , then he may encounter a trial of his own .

To speculate further , since several witnesses , and not just one , are expected to be called , will we see someone else contradict Hailton's assertion that he saw nothing ?

As I said, speculation and conjecture.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

"one individual who is not, has not, and will not be on trial in connection with this matter."

If , in fact , Hamilton's original statement was not the truth , then I would suggest he will indeed be involved deeper than he wishes .
If my speculation is true , then he may encounter a trial of his own .

To speculate further , since several witnesses , and not just one , are expected to be called , will we see someone else contradict Hailton's assertion that he saw nothing ?

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You need to drop this 'he said she said' F1 soap opera nonsense.

I'm sure you know how the real world works.

This is a criminal court case. If the judge, defense or prosecution feel that any witness has something of value to say, they will be called to give evidence. Whether that person thinks they have anything interesting to say is irrelevant.

If he wasn't called to the court case then the judge, defense and prosecution felt Lewis didn't see anything of value and therefore a cross-examination was unnecessary.

Frankly at your age I really don't think you need to have this explained to you.

Yeah, but, you know, Lewis must've lied because, well, you know, he's............

PS - that's ironic, sarcastic humour..........

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Originally Posted by Malbec

You need to drop this 'he said she said' F1 soap opera nonsense.

I'm sure you know how the real world works.

This is a criminal court case. If the judge, defense or prosecution feel that any witness has something of value to say, they will be called to give evidence. Whether that person thinks they have anything interesting to say is irrelevant.

If he wasn't called to the court case then the judge, defense and prosecution felt Lewis didn't see anything of value and therefore a cross-examination was unnecessary.

Frankly at your age I really don't think you need to have this explained to you.

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In the real world , there is going to be an appeal .

So , this "soap opera nonsense" will continue , whether you like it or not .

I believe that Lewis will be one of the witnesses called .
It was Sutil's management that was quoted , and the appeal should be registered soon .
Then we shall see whether Lewis is on the list .


You know , this is all just a theory .
But , it's a theory that is seemingly starting to fit , more and more .



You guys sure are getting upset with my speculation .
That's too bad , as it's not my intent to upset anyone .
But , I'm told to stop , and I'm told I'm not acting my age .

Water off a duck's back , kids .
Just want some answers , and doing a little speculating while I wait .

I'd like you all to notice that not once have I called Lewis a "coward" , or "pathetic" , or , "not a man" .

But others have .
And I'd like to know why .

I suspect that flying pigs will poo all over yoru speculation. :)

I'm rather curious why if Sutils lawyers thought that anyone had evidence that would be pertinent, they did not at least get a sworn deposition as to the events. I'm assuming every country has something that has the same effect, even if they don't call it a deposition.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

In the real world , there is going to be an appeal .

So , this "soap opera nonsense" will continue , whether you like it or not .

I believe that Lewis will be one of the witnesses called .
It was Sutil's management that was quoted , and the appeal should be registered soon .
Then we shall see whether Lewis is on the list .


You know , this is all just a theory .
But , it's a theory that is seemingly starting to fit , more and more .



You guys sure are getting upset with my speculation .
That's too bad , as it's not my intent to upset anyone .
But , I'm told to stop , and I'm told I'm not acting my age .

Water off a duck's back , kids .
Just want some answers , and doing a little speculating while I wait .

I'd like you all to notice that not once have I called Lewis a "coward" , or "pathetic" , or , "not a man" .

But others have .
And I'd like to know why .

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I'd imagine it's the same or similar reason that you use to get up on his case every chance you get, whatever that may be.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I suspect that flying pigs will poo all over yoru speculation. :)

I'm rather curious why if Sutils lawyers thought that anyone had evidence that would be pertinent, they did not at least get a sworn deposition as to the events. I'm assuming every country has something that has the same effect, even if they don't call it a deposition.

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Since Hamilton is not a German citizen I'm not 100% certain that he is legally required to comply with any subpoena German courts might issue him but there may be some EU law covering it.

This is without doubt the worst thread I've read since I started posting here.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

In the real world , there is going to be an appeal .

So , this "soap opera nonsense" will continue , whether you like it or not .

I believe that Lewis will be one of the witnesses called .
It was Sutil's management that was quoted , and the appeal should be registered soon .
Then we shall see whether Lewis is on the list .


You know , this is all just a theory .
But , it's a theory that is seemingly starting to fit , more and more .



You guys sure are getting upset with my speculation .
That's too bad , as it's not my intent to upset anyone .
But , I'm told to stop , and I'm told I'm not acting my age .

Water off a duck's back , kids .
Just want some answers , and doing a little speculating while I wait .

I'd like you all to notice that not once have I called Lewis a "coward" , or "pathetic" , or , "not a man" .

But others have .
And I'd like to know why .

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Tell me — why on earth do you care to this extent? Obsession with celebrity, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Since Hamilton is not a German citizen I'm not 100% certain that he is legally required to comply with any subpoena German courts might issue him but there may be some EU law covering it.

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Lewis is IIRC a Swiss resident and Germany does have a treaty with them allowing for them to subpoena people. I also think witnesses can be forced to testify across the EU states if they have been requested to do so.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

This is without doubt the worst thread I've read since I started posting here.

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Quite. Some of the speculations are quite bizarre really.