Who's that then, his missus? :p
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Who's that then, his missus? :p
i've read some of this tread, i can't resist.
1.rule: only buy snowtyres from a country that actually has snow.
2: if mostly ice and hard snow, wider tyres, most loose snow, narrower tyres.
3. studs is way better than studless, whatever anyone says.
4: never trust the salesman! he's there to **** you.
5: no such thing as "all year tyres"! they are bad on summer, even more bad at winter.
6: 4x4 don't "fix" the gravity. you need to brake and make turns with a 4x4 too.
7: all those 3-letters electronic **** is just for bad drivers and women :)
8: nokian hakkapeliita 5 is the worlds best wintertyre. end of diskusion!
i've drive 40.000km a year in lillehammer, norway. half the year its slippery, so i have tested lots of tyres and cars thru the years. exept of 4x4 (normal one, not those fancy ones not build for snow) rwd with studs is much better than fwd with studless. jeep wrangler and other of that kind is useless on snow and ice.
1. agree, unless you mean only Viking, Gislaved, Nokian etc :p
2. agree
3. on your permanently white roads yes.
4. agree
5. agree
6. agree
7. agree. However, 98% of drivers outside Scandinavia are bad :p
8. agree it's one of the better studded tyres, otherwise not end of discussion :)
actually, this years winner on the wintertyre test on dry tarmac was a tyre with studs :) think it was continental.
studless is quite good on hard snow, but overall studs is better.
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Originally Posted by skarderud
I beg to differ. In my driving history I’ve owned both the Jeep Wrangler (“YJ” model) and the Jeep Cherokee, both with similar drive trains. Both were exceptional in winter driving conditions. Never once did I ever get either vehicle stuck in the snow or on ice. Mind you, you are correct that braking and steering must be adjusted accordingly :) .
Then you never has driven a Volvo xc70 or a Subaru on snow. Yes, you won't get stuck that easy, but it's like trying to throw a sledgehammer with the head backwards. Its spins so easy and is close to a tractor (agriculture one) in feeling :) put some allterrain's on those on snow, and you have a real widowmaker. A friend of mine actually as that combo, he says it best: you don't drive a car, you drive a jeep.
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Originally Posted by donKey jote
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Originally Posted by skarderud
DKJ, as Skarderud says its actually the opposite of what you might think.
Studdless is usually for inland roads where the air is drier which means compact snow but hardly any ice or bare roads.
Like the inner parts of Norrland in Sweden.
Studded tires works better then studdless on icy and bare roads where there is a big risk for "Black ice" which happens
when there is moist on bare roads and the temperature drops. The moist will then freeze and create Black ice.
The big danger with it is that you usually don't notice it until its too late. Especially with tires without studs.
Studdless tires usually have little or no grip at all on it.
Yes, black ice is the biggest danger of course, and studs are obviously unbeatable on ice.
What I really meant was on your "nordic winter" roads. Here we barely have snow on the main roads as they are easily cleared, so wet and dry grip in cold conditions are more important. Not that we're allowed studs anyway due to the road wear without the snow or ice cover.
I'd be very interested in seeing those test results though... what was the magazine?
What did the dry tarmac test consist of? I can't imagine the studs lasted very long !
Well there was some snow on the roads yesterday and the conclusion is that snow tires are useless around here because most cars are driven at max 40 km/h when it snows. :s
another conclusion is that you're surrounded by bad drivers or women ;) :laugh: