stop confusing top/high speed with engine power...its amateurish..
high speed/top speed 90% of the time is due to gearing.
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stop confusing top/high speed with engine power...its amateurish..
high speed/top speed 90% of the time is due to gearing.
Again... S2000 and WRC is basically same machinery except engine, wing and few details. Difference between these two is almost completely due to engine. See differences in s/km between S2000 and WRC in all rallies and You can very clearly see where engine matters more and where less. The results are very clear - the smallest differences are in Finland and Sweden - fast flowing events with very little number of slow corners. In much more technical Sardinia it is cca 0,5 s/km more with smaller difference in new stages of first leg which are much faster than normal Sardinian ones. Than for example Germany with many hairpins and junctions and much better grip the difference is cca another 0,5 s/km higher than in Sardinia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I dont really know about physics and engine ect. I just remember Solberg back in Australia 2002 said that when its medium speed and good traction, we can beat the Peugeots. When its very quick (stage), the Peugeot engine is much better.
And I also remember that argument made in 2004..on fast rallies Subaru was quick again on fast rallies because of engine development. But I dont know...
I just think its fair to say the cars this year are quite equal with some advantage to Citroen. But most of the difference is down to drivers..one has been off pace.... and the other making a lot of mistakes (and mechanial issues) but on pace.
One could make the argument that Sweden and Finland was closer to S2000 since local knowledge matters alot there..
Having said this I dont mean the difference between Ford and Citroen engines matters. Engines are slightly the same regarding to power. Like Sladden says its more a matter of reliability and of course the drivers way of handling the car on different surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
[quote="Sladden"] .............and the other making a lot of mistakes (and mechanial issues) but on pace.
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In the 10 rallies to date in 2011 JML has had 4 'driver' / crew mistakes. Front bumper in Sweden, pace note error in Sardinia, a brief stall in Argentina (without losing the lead) and the off in Germany when over-driving following engine problems on day 1 (i.e. not a spontaneous mistake). I would venture the opinion that this is not too different from Ogier and Loeb this year and that they too would have had more driver errors if they'd had to compensate for the mechanical problems like engine management, drive shafts, suspension breaking, power steering, diff failure etc. that have plagued Latvala.
The common mis-conception that Latvala still makes more driver errors than other top 6 drivers is just plain wrong. I do agree, that as many people on this forum thought, Ford have paid the penalty for failing to test the Fiesta sufficiently before this season when the suspension set up could have been refined and the drive train weaknesses addressed
What about small errors like that one in Australia?! There's no rally without small mistake from him.
I dont think its a far cry to say Citroen is the team with most talented crews. Loeb..a phenomenon. And Ogier had a learning curve straight up. With the least amount of experience of the factory (and some private) drivers, he is fighting for victories in every rally now.
Do you mean the one where he inexplicably slowed and lost the lead to Hirvonen ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Ok SS3 in Australia as an error is the acceptable level of driver mistake i.e. not terminal, and one which Loeb, Ogier and Solberg have all made this year. Mikko isn't making as many mistakes, but then he isn't as fast as the other 4 (though I'm sure someone will have a statistic that says otherwise. :rolleyes:
The common denominator is Citroen. I would be good in a Citroen....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sladden
I wouldnt say Mikko had been as fast this year as he has been in the past, but he is a whole world better than he was last year. In the first half of the year, he was off pace in jordan and argentina, but apart from those two rallies, he has been up there. Last year, he was off pace pretty much from start to finish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory