4 degrees of camber

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Of course, it may be that Pirelli was right on the money and RBR were dicing with death, or Pirelli may have been conservative and RBR were running the tyre within safe parameters.

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Which I'm sure is exactly why Newey, one of the most experienced men on the grid, was so nervous for his drivers... because RBR ran within safe parameters. Something not fit with this picture to you?

Given Newey's nervous demeanour and considering RBR were considering starting their drivers from the start of the grid, do you not think that they were indeed very close to the limit of the tyres and they knew that? Would it not make sense?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

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AS I keep on saying, we don't actually know how close the tyres were to going pop, we don't know if the 4 degree recommendation (note: RECOMMENDATION) is there to stop tyres blistering or wearing quickly which won't look good for Pirelli, or whether there is a genuine risk of the tyres going boom. To say " ignored Pirelli's advice which it can only be said was given on safety grounds" is not necessarily true, like I say, it could be safety or it could be just there to make the tyres last longer and make Pirelly look better. We don't know one way or the other.

Do you honestly think that when that first set of tyres came of Seb's car that Adrian and Pirelli weren't looking at them to see whether there had been damage done to the carcass or not? Do you think they went through the whole race genuinely not knowing? I somehow doubt that this is the case.

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Since the tyres were blistering at a 4 degree camber angle anyway it is unlikely the 4 degree recommendation was given on the grounds of looking good. Pirelli’s foremost responsibility is to the safety of the drivers. Clearly, at Spa, RBR’s went beyond this and **** themselves.

[quote="The Black Knight"]Which I'm sure is exactly why Newey, one of the most experienced men on the grid, was so nervous for his drivers... because RBR ran within safe parameters. Something not fit with this picture to you?

I think you're getting it all back to front here.

McLaren wanted to replace their tyres too and RBR simply saw an opportunity to advantage themselves and dress it up safety concerns. You can't fault them for trying I guess. RBR never actually talked about starting from the pits, it was of course an option they would have been allowed to choose IF they had felt there was grave danger to the safety of the drivers.

Personally I feel that you can't have your cake and eat it. McLaren and RBR reaped the reward of running camber and you can't allow them to then get rid of the tyres which were worn because of the camber.

You seem to be interpreting everything with a huge amount of bias, I'm a big safety person, I'd love it if the cars had canopies on them, I wish drivers wouldn't hit each other at high speed and I appreciate the potential for running too much camber to cause a tyre failure, but what this actually on the cards? As I keep repeating, we don't know. Till RBR or Pirelli come out and issue a statement we don't know. We literally do not know and to say that it was or wasn't at the moment is pure speculation.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Since the tyres were blistering at a 4 degree camber angle anyway it is unlikely the 4 degree recommendation was given on the grounds of looking good. Pirelli’s foremost responsibility is to the safety of the drivers. Clearly, at Spa, RBR’s went beyond this and **** themselves.

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Ferrari were running closer to 3 degrees of camber and were still getting blistering.

Obviously Newey wasn't happy, that much is plain to see, but do you honestly think with the lead that they've got, that he wouldn't have just started them both from the pitlane with a fresh set of tyres and reduced camber if he had real concerns?

Never would have thought that a subject on camber would get 13 pages of posts and counting :crazy:

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Never would have thought that a subject on camber would get 13 pages of posts and counting :crazy:

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That's the danger of supposition, you never thought it would make it to 13 pages but it did :D

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Never would have thought that a subject on camber would get 13 pages of posts and counting :crazy:

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13? I'm on the last post on page 7! :p

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

13? I'm on the last post on page 7! :p

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5 for me.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Yes I think that was what was stated as far as who approached who. Its also been reported that both McLaren and Ferrari had blistered tyres after final qualifying and made the adjustments recommended by Pirelli. I don't know what these adjustments are however.. :)

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False report. They would have had to start from the pit lane if they did setup changes after the qualy.
Don't believe everything you read.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

RBR chose to set their car up in a certain way despite the recommendations of their tyre supplier. It was a gamble which, on this occasion, worked perfectly for them with a 1-2 in the race. But that doesn't give them the right to expect to be exempt from the rules.

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What rules did they not obey?