Prostitution

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Originally Posted by Malbec

There is a good deal of hypocrisy around this, recently the Home Minister Ken Clarke got a lot of public criticism for stating the obvious, that a guy raping a woman at knife point is not the same as a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old within a relationship and punishments should be and are proportionate under the current system as it stands. This is still very much a taboo subject politically.

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It's all related to the education level of the masses.

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Originally Posted by ioan

There's life outside the US too and in Europe the age of 16 is not anecdotal, it is enforced by law because such things have to be regulated in order to avoid abuse.
Now you are just grasping at straws to defend a view that many of us do not share, and dare I say it is hypocritical as you did admit yourself that you have no children and probably never will.
I think that it would be useless to continue running circles especially as I already made my position clear.

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And the age of consent varies from state to state in the U.S. I've already stated that at least twice, I believe. In one post you suggest that age limits are puritanical, but here you say that 16 as the age of consent "is enforced by law because such things have to be regulated in order to avoid abuse."

The underlined portion of your post represents the point I've been trying to make all along.

Citizens of different nations or states will choose the statutory limits that they feel are appropriate. But in your case, if the age limits they choose and the penalties that they apply don't agree with your view, you seem to want to toss around hyperbolic, pejorative terms like "puritanical" and "hypocrisy". As other posters have pointed out to you, even in Europe, it doesn't appear that 16 is a universally accepted age of consent for all situations. There are places in Europe where prostitution (the actual topic of this thread) is legal or at least decriminalized. So is it legal there to bed a 16 year old prostitute? Can they act in adult films? No, well why the heck not?! Why can't they let the teen hookers make decisions for themselves and make some money?! Why are those people being "puritanical" and "hypocritical" and whatever else? :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but at least if you were arguing for no age limits I could follow your logic. I wouldn't agree with it, but at least your logic would be more consistent. But your position is either not being explained very well (which I simply asked you to clarify before you got testy) or it is extremely fluid.

You've devoted so much effort and time trying to ensure that you don't agree with me, that you seem to have also lost sight of your own position. Look again at the underlined portion of what you JUST posted and what I posted previously.

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Again, my view is, whatever age of consent the citizens and lawmakers of a particular state want to choose, arbitrary though it may be, some sort of statutory limit MUST be in place. Otherwise you would have certain types of adults trolling playgrounds (with bags of candy) as they look for "dates". And the socially awkward American female teachers who think that they should be allowed to "date" their minor male students, they are more than free to leave here and go teach in your country. They'll wind up in jail here.

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My point is that as long as there is an agreed (and needed) reference age for people to be responsible for their own lives then there is no use whatsoever to consider outrageous a relationship between a 16 and a 60 year old person. That's all. I hope it is clear.

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Originally Posted by ioan

My point is that as long as there is an agreed (and needed) reference age for people to be responsible for their own lives then there is no use whatsoever to consider outrageous a relationship between a 16 and a 60 year old person. That's all. I hope it is clear.

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Yes there is.

“Outrageousness” is a subjective view so laws are not the mechanism to pass judgement on such a scenario.
Although it may be legal, it certainly can be viewed as outrageous by some individuals.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

A quick search will show that Europe and for that matter much of the world has different ages that are the legal age of consent. Just as with the US they often have exceptions for certain circumstances.

Personally I would think regardless of law that any person more than a few years older than a 16 year old is indeed a sick individual if they think that 16 year old is not easily influenced, and to me it would be a situation of taking advantage of a person most likely not as capable of making "adult" decisions.

We all know that many if not most countries have a variety of flawed laws, yet law seems to be the basis for your view. According to what I found the age of consent in Spain is 13 unless deceit or mental deficit is involved. If you had a 13 year old daughter in Spain and a 30 year old man was attempting to get her in bed do you claim you would be fine with that?

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Ole - I am buying a ticket right now :) Yes airshifter if a 20 yr old even touched my 13 yr old daughter it would be instant sterilization for him via of Dr Magnum. However if a 20 yr old hottie did my 13 yr old son - I may see if I could get a little too.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Ole - I am buying a ticket right now :) Yes airshifter if a 20 yr old even touched my 13 yr old daughter it would be instant sterilization for him via of Dr Magnum. However if a 20 yr old hottie did my 13 yr old son - I may see if I could get a little too.

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What if the person after your daughter was this 20 year old?
http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc339/t..._122_339lo.jpg

And the person after your son was this "hottie"?
http://img31.imagevenue.com/loc158/t..._122_158lo.jpg

Hmm, I think this was what Alan Greenspan used to refer to as a conundrum. But hey, maybe Justin will indeed give you "a little" too. Oh, what a tangled web we weave... :D

Though obviously a tongue in cheek post by Jag, I was surprised when I looked up the age of consent laws about a point that he is joking about.

In several places the age of consent is higher in a homosexual relationship. I found this very odd, but at the same time it seems to be a more socially complex issue than a hetero relationship, even today in 2012. So Roamy might not want to push his luck with Justin... he might still legally be off limits. :)

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Originally Posted by airshifter

In several places the age of consent is higher in a homosexual relationship. I found this very odd, but at the same time it seems to be a more socially complex issue than a hetero relationship, even today in 2012.

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That it may be, but the views of those who seek to perpetuate the difference should simply be ignored. To hell with them.

Sorry guys but I think it's time to return to the main issue of this thread which is prostitution. Meaning sex on money ( or other material interests ).

At this moment I'm probably the only woman who attends this thread. And I confess I'm disappointed by what I read here.

Looks to me that people around here have more problem with consented sexual relationships than they have with prostitution.