Poll on who was at fault

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Red Bull drinks are liked by too many morons - the type you see vomiting in the street outside the local Whetherspoons pub on a Friday/Saturday night.

Sod the sports aspect, after all, there is lucozade for the serious sportsperson.

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i try to avoid viewing such special, intimate moments, even when on Utube

and i can not stand that stuff, only kool aid for me

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

In another thread AndyL made this point:

It's a good point.

Mark Webber is a skillful racing driver. He obviously didn't want to lose the lead, but if he had to then Vettel was going to have to work hard to earn it.

By positioning his car where he did out of the previous turn Webber gave Vettel two options - inside or outside pass. Vettel, knowing a left-hander was coming up, chose inside. It was the risky option because it put him on the dirty line. His tyres would pick up the dirt and so make it more difficult to complete the pass and make the next corner cleanly.

Webber knew all of this. Vettel had chosen the option that gave Webber the best chance of regaining the position, and Vettel knew this too.

So, with Vettel slightly ahead of Webber before either of them had reached the braking zone what could have happened? Well, my guess is that Webber would have moved across to the right entering the braking zone, thus positioning himself to take the ideal line through the next corner. Vettel, by that point, would have been ahead but with dirty tyres and off the ideal line. It may have been a bit of a scramble but Vettel probably would have emerged from the left-hander ahead.
Vettel's actions, not Webber's, ensured things didn't work out this way.

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my thought would be the smart move would be to move over, let vettel go a head, cut down behind Vettel
and move to the inside as vettel was going to have a tough time sticking into the racing line and making the corner at that speed, and if not that corner, then the next

and when your front wheels are about to touch the rear wheels of another car, that does not mean, that the other car is "slightly ahead"

[quote="SGWilko"]No, Mark was rightly defending his lead. SOmething the leader is entitled to do.
Mark knew that.
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Seb was leading going into the corner .

Hamilton. He was making Vettel nervous.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Seb was leading going into the corner .

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They were nowhere near the corner, Seb was still completing - but had not completed - the move.

He could not therefore have been leading going into the corner.

It's like trying to overtake on the final straight at Canada, you can get a run on the guy in front on the outside, but if you are not far enough ahead of him, you'll end up over the kurbs and into the wall. You have to own the corner - Seb didn't.

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Originally Posted by eu

Hamilton. He was making Vettel nervous.

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What, more so than the first 40 or so laps?

Poppycock.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Poppycock.

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I don't know what poppycock is but sounds well-suited for my post :laugh:

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Originally Posted by eu

I don't know what poppycock is but sounds well-suited for my post :laugh:

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Poppycock, cobblers, cockermeemie - all words for rubbish!

It's a non offensive method of saying b0ll0cks. ;)

watch carefully, and you will see the slight movement to to the left via webber's steering wheel where he closes the gap prior to the contact. It is in only one of the last two frames:

http://gickr.com/results4/anim_679fb...c0ce8cce89.gif

inthis one as the tires touch one can see webber turning slightly away but too late--note the smoke starting from the contact as well as the damaged rim protruding from the tire
http://gyazo.com/f916a4127c804c7fe46e328bfef81d41.png