I vote for Mark as Prime Minister of Canada (or whatever they have there).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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I vote for Mark as Prime Minister of Canada (or whatever they have there).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
does this mean we will see a new Danica movie getting ads on this forum ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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esp since she might be driving for Chevie, not honda?Quote:
BTW Mark you almost had my vote for whatever, but then you and to go compare Mario and AJ to to to..... Dario and Helio.....
AJ and Mario compared to schumacher or hamilton, or to Clark (who Colin Chapman pretty much considered them to be overall almost equals, except Clark could drive the wheels of pigs, whereas mario excelled at car set up and handling in the day long before data collection and engineers with lap tops)....well...But....dario and helio
:eek: HELLO :eek:
So in response to this: "I defy anyone to tell me where Mario or AJ would have won as often as they did if they had no advantages on any track from week to week in terms of machinery or preparation", consider yourself defied (and not dietificationated) :vader:
Ok Markabilly...I wont put them AT the same level...but you do see my point surely in that Dario and Helio are better than people give them credit for. The point is the IRL is a series where all the guys more or less have the same stuff, so to stand out means you must have something more going on than the other guys. AJ and Mario had SOMETHING more than the other guys. That part of the comparsion is most certainly valid. Would Dixon, Power, Franchitti or Castroneves be able to show up in 1974 and run with AJ, Mario and the Unsers? I think actually they would....but I wont go and say they would own them.
Everyone always has nostalgia and rose tinted glasses on when looking at the past, but I don't think the best drivers now in the sport are substandard to any large degree in the IRL to the USAC Champs of the 60's and 70's. Just don't. Just like players in just about every other sport have gotten better over time, you would have to be dreaming if you didn't think the modern day racing driver isn't better on a lot of levels. He has more engineering knowledge and we know he is in better shape physically. It is a different world to be sure, and I do think AJ and Mario were prodigy's that are above the pale compared to any era, but I don't think that gap is very large...
We right now in this modern era have 6 to 9 cars capable of winning any given weekend....That is drivers/teams that are capable of winning. Go back in the entry lists in the "good ole days" and find 9 or 10 possible winners on a weekly basis. Most teams didn't even do the whole series such as it was...
It was a different sport then....
well danica is better than some give her credit for, and she has the most easily recognized name in motorsports today, other than Andretti, in the eyes and ears of the American general public.
Right wrong or indifferent.
And unfortunately NONE of the other IRL drivers have that, except for marco, thanks to his granddad, as when people hear Andretti, they think racer....but as to Marco, none of that credit belongs to him, it belongs to grandpa, who I would put as an equal to MS, Hamilton, Senna, fangio, or any other active driver today or in history of motorsports....and the press is NOT paying any attention to marco.....
Indeed, not even Tony Stewart, Unsers, et al, have the same name recognition as ole Mario Andretti or Danica in the USA, (and not even MS, Jim Clark, and the rest)
So I think the irl should be thankful for what little they have left and so should the rest of you
gee you made me want to vote for you, only to later make me want to vote for Ms Palin....
While I applaud you for getting back onto the important point of Danica, you're wrong twice here. She isn't better than some of us give her credit for. That argument is getting so old putting up facts and stats to show it. So, moving on to something that is debatable...I believe Danica moving on is good for the future of Indycar. She is a novelty, nothing more. Recognizable or not, what Indycar needs is a fan base that is based on something more than a sideshow. I've been saying this for over 3 years. The more attention she gets for being a hack that generates nothing but news articles, the less attention that gets paid to the sport, period, and the talented drivers and personalities that deserve it. I'm all for the end of the Danica experiment. Now if for some reason Honda would start giving her engines with 150 more HP and she started running in the top 5, we'd generate the type of attention that IS good. But I'd say since they've already gone down that road a couple of times the other teams are onto it and it won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
[quote="TURN3"]While I applaud you for getting back onto the important point of Danica, you're wrong twice here. She isn't better than some of us give her credit for. That argument is getting so old putting up facts and stats to show it. So, moving on to something that is debatable...I believe Danica moving on is good for the future of Indycar. She is a novelty, nothing more. Recognizable or not, what Indycar needs is a fan base that is based on something more than a sideshow. I've been saying this for over 3 years. The more attention she gets for being a hack that generates nothing but news articles, the less attention that gets paid to the sport, period, and the talented drivers and personalities that deserve it. [quote]
Just a basty circle here....
And without her, the sport would not even have that.....it is a vicous circle much like getting hooked on drugs, you really should get off......but can you really pay the price?
If there were this clear groundswell of support independant of her......and american OW racers showing the way in the IRL and bringing those fans in.....,pay the price and kick her butt out ASAP before we get hooked.........well speaking of the viscous circle....... :(
But dont worry there is always ADma carrollo
Can we start a new thread on this topic? I'm bored and this is the most fun to talk about.
Patrick Long actually hit the lottery, sort of speak. Porsche came to him and said they wanted to sign him as a factory driver. Only one condition: you need to give up any wishes to drive open wheel cars and drive for us exclusively. So let us know your answer. He then went to several people in the sport to ask their opinion and they all said "Take the Porsche offer." He did and the rest is history with no looking back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
you have to wait for her majesty to do something noteworthy...like break a nail getting in the car at Indy or something...Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
As I eluded to before, this story is confirmed. Porsche pays this guy very well. Guess he doesn't need to worry about paying for an Indycar ride that way, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimClarkFan