Hamilton's Driving

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Lewis had wheelspin , and knew he was beaten .

But , he didn't give up .

This prompted Vettel to move in , to emphasize his right to the lane .
He was fully in the lane before Hamilton , and beside him .

That race was over , as no F-duct was going to get him down the lane any faster than the limitter would allow .



Lewis has a serious problem with the red mist , where he tends towards the "deliberate , but instinctual " moves , in times of crisis .
His racing down the blue lane prompted Sebastian to assert his right . Whether this reaction was clever or not should be looked at in the light of what his rival was up to .

My initial reaction was to say "Give up , you idiot . He beat you into the lane ." .
Upon rewatching the video , I remain with the view that Lewis lost the plot in the incident .
He was never going to win a race on a limitter .


Similarly , when chased by a "lowly" rookie in a "lowly" yellow car last race , he swerved wildly , prompting clarification of the swerve rules .


Lewis seems to live in the moment , and if , in that moment , a crisis occurs that can tarnish his self-image , he cannot be trusted to make a decision that isn't wholly about repair .

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Post of the season.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You forgot to put in that he's a liar, a cheat, with a distasteful personality, and I think you'd have yourself a pretty unbiased, impartial post worthy of respect on this forum.. Its endorsements speak for themselves. :laugh: :p

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Thank you , Mia and Tamburello .

Those traits were irrelevent to this discussion , henners , and would only incite argument .

I do respect your boy for being a good driver . He's as good as any out there as far as race craft goes , but he doesn't seem to handle pressure well .




Please , pardon me for saying so , but I don't think you do , either .

It's only my opinion of a race car driver . No big dealie .

What I am really impressed by Button in comparison to Hamilton is he outqualified Hamilton in China. Since in race terms, there have been 3 rainy ones and that shouldn't count as a valid measure.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Thank you , Mia and Tamburello .

Those traits were irrelevent to this discussion , henners , and would only incite argument .

I do respect your boy for being a good driver . He's as good as any out there as far as race craft goes , but he doesn't seem to handle pressure well .




Please , pardon me for saying so , but I don't think you do , either .

It's only my opinion of a race car driver . No big dealie .

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One moore of thoose good posts.

When the Red Mist hits, as it will a couple of times each races, Lewis again, theres moore pain than brain.

I originally started this thread because I didn't like what I saw in the race. But after the stewards' ruling on this, Hamilton is right to have done what he did. Vettel too.

No real penalty, so that means you can now race for position in the pitlane. What if Button and Alonso do it in the next race? Should they get a reprimand too?

I think the stewards have messed up again.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Post of the season.

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Make your mind up - I think we have had at least one other - post of the year/season from you.

Maybe you are indecisive, or perhaps you are just not sure???

Perhaps you should publish post league tables.... :laugh:

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Originally Posted by fandango

I originally started this thread because I didn't like what I saw in the race. But after the stewards' ruling on this, Hamilton is right to have done what he did. Vettel too.

No real penalty, so that means you can now race for position in the pitlane. What if Button and Alonso do it in the next race? Should they get a reprimand too?

I think the stewards have messed up again.

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Errr, wise up. There were cicumstances to be considered here.

How would the Stewards act if two cars happened to be side by side again, but one driver left room for the other, so they were side by side AND within the lines? They ought to be travelling at the same speed after all, so no advantage to be gained.

If the exact same circumstances happen again as happened in China, with the same two drivers or not, I rightly expect DSQ's to be handed out to both of them.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Errr, wise up. There were cicumstances to be considered here.

How would the Stewards act if two cars happened to be side by side again, but one driver left room for the other, so they were side by side AND within the lines? They ought to be travelling at the same speed after all, so no advantage to be gained.

If the exact same circumstances happen again as happened in China, with the same two drivers or not, I rightly expect DSQ's to be handed out to both of them.

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In that case, they would be receiving a different punishment for the same offence, wouldn't they? And why a disqualification? Why not a stop-go, or a drive-through?

Alonso correctly got a drive-through for jumping the start in China. So if, for example, another driver jumpstarts in Barcelona, what punishment should they get? Obviously, it should be a drive-through because that is the established sanction. But bear with me, here.

If it was Hamilton, and he was disqualified, then everyone would be up in arms about it. But of course the stewards could justify themselves by saying that he had already got a warning and a reprimand in the previous races. (That would keep us going on here for months)

The point I'm trying to make is that it's important that each time the rules are broken, the sanction must be consistent. And the stewards have left things open to improvisation, again.

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Originally Posted by fandango

In that case, they would be receiving a different punishment for the same offence, wouldn't they? And why a disqualification? Why not a stop-go, or a drive-through?

Alonso correctly got a drive-through for jumping the start in China. So if, for example, another driver jumpstarts in Barcelona, what punishment should they get? Obviously, it should be a drive-through because that is the established sanction. But bear with me, here.

If it was Hamilton, and he was disqualified, then everyone would be up in arms about it. But of course the stewards could justify themselves by saying that he had already got a warning and a reprimand in the previous races. (That would keep us going on here for months)

The point I'm trying to make is that it's important that each time the rules are broken, the sanction must be consistent. And the stewards have left things open to improvisation, again.

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No, because now the Stewards have set the precedent, and no doubt it will be made crystal clear in the next briefing. WHat I can tell you is that Vettel wont be turning towards the garages again, and Lewis wont be straddling the blue line again.

There is also benefit of the doubt in certain situations. The circumstances as to how Lewis and Vettel were side by side were unusual, and taken into account.

A jump start is a jump start - there is no ambiguity.

If Lewis weaves again for example, I would expect more than a reprimand, wouldn't you? Maybe a stop go? ANd if he does it again, grid drop? ANd again, race bans.....

I think a little logic has to be applied. As has been pointed out before, we want to see racing and races decided on the track, not 3 hours after it has finished.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I want to know more about this red mist Lewis suffers from. Can we see it through the visor? Is it possible others can suffer from it too? Kubica, Vettel, Schumacher, Alonso have all been erratic in the past on track, but is this a different diagnosis in their circumstances?

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The red mist is a phenomenon borne of eating too many red coloured foods. What happens is, in the nomex romper race suit, a 'love puff' has nowhere to escape but up, and out through the visor. In the case of the red food addict, this results in a red hue.......