The first ACTUAL pic of the DeltaWing

I thought Keith Wiggins saying he was supporting the Delta Wing because he "used to work for Bowlby at Lola" interesting.

Bowlby and Ganassi have all their former employees and lackeys lined up with them and their current drivers as well.

They had a chance to really hit a home run with a new design and unfortunately swung and missed BADLY with the folks that matter the most.....the consumer of their product.


A retro front-engined design would at least get many former fans and many current AOW people (because there is a LOT more to AOW then Indy Car Racing) interested. A innovative, evolutionary rear-engined design would at least get some former CART fans and many current fans interested.

This thing alienates ALL parties and doesn't appeal to anyone, from any genre of American Open Wheel Racing. Doesn't appeal to old fans. Doesn't appeal to current fans. And because it doesn't look like a NASCAR car, won't appeal to new fans (because unfortunately NASCAR is racing in this country now).

The youtube video talks about the design of a differential, not differential steering. (Unless I skipped along too far past the motorcycle demo.)

Gary

Love it or hate it, it is CHANGE...and this series hasn't CHANGED really for a decade....

Even the detractors of the D-wing design have to admit that it is not just a simple evolution, but a revolution. Revolutions are not always popular...but lets see how this pans out. I suspect the prototype and actual car if built wont end up quite like this wild idea.

Hoop..we need you ...because maybe you can bring some educated and intelligent thoughts to the table here. Right now....we are just knowing we dont' like the looks of it....

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Love it or hate it, it is CHANGE...and this series hasn't CHANGED really for a decade....

Even the detractors of the D-wing design have to admit that it is not just a simple evolution, but a revolution. Revolutions are not always popular...but lets see how this pans out. I suspect the prototype and actual car if built wont end up quite like this wild idea.

Hoop..we need you ...because maybe you can bring some educated and intelligent thoughts to the table here. Right now....we are just knowing we dont' like the looks of it....

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and dont care what it looks like.....I dont love it or hate...

but if adopted its clearly not an 'open wheel race car'.....and that fundementally changes this sport......

but hey maybe its already a zombie and change is the only option....


but from where I sit.....if it meets a basic set of rules (min/max weight, height, lenght etc) and meets safety standards..... then by all means let someone role it out and run 500 miles with.....maybe get there face on the borg warner...


but just dont stop Sarah from rolling out the Dollar General Dallara and kickin there as s's in it

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Originally Posted by garyshell

The youtube video talks about the design of a differential, not differential steering. (Unless I skipped along too far past the motorcycle demo.)

Gary

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I was going for a laugh. I really like the idea of somone running on the rear wheels. NOT!

Would you guys feel better about the design if the front wheels had a normal seperation sticking out from the tub? I think that is one thing that would help the look. I always liked seeing the suspension moving over the bumps and such.

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Originally Posted by Chamoo

Would you guys feel better about the design if the front wheels had a normal seperation sticking out from the tub? I think that is one thing that would help the look. I always liked seeing the suspension moving over the bumps and such.

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I kind of agree that the front wheel seperation is a visual oddity and a question mark for most of we gearheads on how it could possibly work at any track other than an oval. In the explanation by Bowlby he wanted to reduce drag caused by the tires. If they were spread to a wider track, drag would increase which would require more power to maintain the same speeds, plus likely decrease fuel economy.

As has been pointed out several times before, the league needs to set its goals first. If they are doing their homework they will ask for input from the fans and auto manufacturers rather than their own staff. Is that likely to happen? I am afraid it won't with the current regime unless the Bull Rider cleans house.

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Originally Posted by Scotty G.

I thought Keith Wiggins saying he was supporting the Delta Wing because he "used to work for Bowlby at Lola" interesting.

Bowlby and Ganassi have all their former employees and lackeys lined up with them and their current drivers as well.

They had a chance to really hit a home run with a new design and unfortunately swung and missed BADLY with the folks that matter the most.....the consumer of their product.


A retro front-engined design would at least get many former fans and many current AOW people (because there is a LOT more to AOW then Indy Car Racing) interested. A innovative, evolutionary rear-engined design would at least get some former CART fans and many current fans interested.

This thing alienates ALL parties and doesn't appeal to anyone, from any genre of American Open Wheel Racing. Doesn't appeal to old fans. Doesn't appeal to current fans. And because it doesn't look like a NASCAR car, won't appeal to new fans (because unfortunately NASCAR is racing in this country now).

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Scott, you need to stop this thing where you act like your opinions represent those of "all" fans. You know what you like, leave it at that. If I was going to speculate a percentage of hardcore Indy fans opinions on the Delta, I'd go 50% against, 25% unsure, 25% like it. But that's speculation, and opinions can change. I'd also bet that casual and younger fans are more likely to go for the Delta design.

Just remember, this Delta Wing IS NOT the car chosen for the IRL. It is only a concept car. We all shouldnt speak as if it will be on track in 2012, not going to happen. ;)

The IRL isnt dumb enough to choose this hideous monstrosity. :down:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Just remember, this Delta Wing IS NOT the car chosen for the IRL. It is only a concept car. We all shouldnt speak as if it will be on track in 2012, not going to happen. ;)

The IRL isnt dumb enough to choose this hideous monstrosity. :down:

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if its only a concept then how in the world do they know it will cost 1/2 as much...

what happens when actually car builders begin construction....and then it needs to be reengineered... and tweaked and tested....and updated and etc etc..

1/2 as much...

I call bullcr@p