Stefan GP, to take part in the 2010 ?

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I have no idea what you are talking about - but my answer to you, is, that my interest in Flavio is formula one. Outside of that is irrelevant and is NONE OF YOUR OR MY BUSINESS.

You may seek also to minimize Flavio's F1 achievements but it remains that he was the one with whom Alonso and Schumacher each won consecutive WDC's with a team he turned around.

Thats leadership and ability to recognize drivers BEFORE they have become champions and provide the opportunity for them and take on that risk.

Alonso was the only individual in F1 NOT to turn his back on Flavio and he showed that moral courage publicly. What a difference between him and Hamilton who participated in the scapegoating of Davey Ryan.

Its rough out there and if you want lilly-white souls I am afraid you will be left with the silence of the wind blowing.

I would love to see Flavio return to Renault. With Kubica he would mould another champion. Unfortunately the politics of F1 would prevent that.

Deify Flavio? I would not lower myself to make him into a god. I prefer those who are superior to gods, human beings.

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oh come on, really? anything outside F1 is no-ones business? just because you choose to ignore everything else does not give you grounds to tell me what is my business - this is a man who has lived a huge proportion of his working life in the public spotlight and the information is in the public domain.

i don't seek to minimise his acheivements, as i said, although you cleary couldn't be bothered to read it, just dismissed with "i have no idea what your talking about" i have great respect for what he acheieved - even more so as he did not have a background in the sport. he managed a team into one of the main players and won championships with different drivers in very different periods of the sport. i was a huge fan of the early Bennetton days when the likes of Berger drove the great looking cars, but i choose not to gloss over the other elements of his character. i don't expect whiter than white, but i do reserve the right to form my opinion based on all the information i can get my hands on, not just because you disagree with me.

i don't miss Flav, you do. i appreciate why you do, but i don't share your sentiments. it doesn't make what he did in his time any less impressive, but it does mean that whilst i respect those acheivements i do not respect the man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8518652.stm

Stefan GP seem to be getting closer to actually making it, right now i'd rate their chances ahead of Campos and USF1, which is laughable considering the process the FIA supposedly went through to get the new entrants in

14 teams - :D

Though it does make the FIA's vetting procedure a load of Balls if Stefan succeed. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 52Paddy

14 teams - :D

Though it does make the FIA's vetting procedure a load of Balls if Stefan succeed. :rolleyes:

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We all knew the vetting procedure was a crock. Just Max playing favorites and keeping people out, which whom he had a vendetta against. Ridiculous! Now we're seeing the consequences of admitting teams without a chance of making the grid.

If Stefan can race, then let's rock n' roll.

I support 13 teams, but Stefan should come instead of WTF1.

At least they (Stefan) probably have a car pretty much ready to go. If not they have the good facilities to do it quickly.

They might as well get Heidfeld and Nakajima or Klien in there so they have a solid driver pairing.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

At least they (Stefan) probably have a car pretty much ready to go. If not they have the good facilities to do it quickly.

They might as well get Heidfeld and Nakajima or Klien in there so they have a solid driver pairing.

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Would'nt Dallara be in that position too (if they sell on what would have been Campos's car to whoever wants to take it on, StefanGP perhaps?)

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Originally Posted by 52Paddy

I'm not trying to butt in here but it might be worth me saying: some people view situations in a broader context. You solely judge Flavio on his F1 success and greatness but don't take into account his external flaws at least. Others do. Neither is wrong in my opinion, but this makes an argument difficult to go anywhere at all.

I'll be quiet for now. :)

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His activities outside of F1 are not relevant - as a fan I view him as a team manager and one of the best ever because it was under his guidance that Benetton and Renault had the two top drivers in F1 today, that twice won them double world titles.

My question is why the people on this forum, so very pure and holy, choose to judge the people of F1 on apparent negatives? Its like looking at Man as if he has a bad nature and I disagree with that, to say the least.

There are two ways of looking at people and I choose the positive, the one in Flavio's case that actually is relevant to F1 and the one that gave me as a fan a great deal of pleasure.

I don't see why it is such a big deal to allow a 14th team - if Max was still FIA chief, together with Bernie, it would have been decided already, AFFIRMATVELY! Max always had the wherewithal to change courses.

Now we have a little Todt, who vaccilates and "thinks" and has to move "logically" and a decision that should and can be made quickly, look like something being deliberated by a government.

This is F1 and there is a team with money, with cars and the ambition to be in F1 - LET THEM JOIN!!!

That sounds more like motorsport enthusiast in the more basic form of motorsport.