Renaults never had much metal in the bodywork panels anyway. lol
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Renaults never had much metal in the bodywork panels anyway. lol
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Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
http://translate.google.no/translate...%3D137380.html
Renault is actually making a 2wd gr N car, and it will debut at Rallye Du Var in November. Hm do they know something we dont about the new classes ?
There was few years ago a comparison between Renault Clio Sport 2.0 Ragnotti and Honda Civic Type R (EP3) in Vauhdin Maailma. The Renault weighted 1043 kg and the Honda 1151 kg. The minimum weight for the Renault is by the homologation 935 kg and for the Honda 1075 kg. As you can see they aren’t even near the min. weight and I think the weight of the Megane will be somewhere between 1100-1150 kg.
The weight limits for group N cars are individual except for 4WD cars homologated after 1.1.2006 the min. weight is 1350 kg.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...-actuelles.pdf
Today is the day of WRC commission meeting...
Many are waiting for the outcome of this meeting. Lets see what is said on all these classes
R1
R2
R3
R3T
R3Diesel
R4
S2000
Super Production
GT
S1.6T / World Rally Car
GpN 2WD
Is it supposed to be a 1 day meeting, or several days ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
At least Gerard Quinn will be there for three days, Monday – Wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
www.twitter.com
WRCgerardquinn “Arrive Cork airport. Home for 1 day then fly to Paris for FIA meetings Mon to Wed.” 8:32 PM Sep 24th via txt
WRCgerardquinn “Preparing for my meetings with the FIA tomorrow. Like winter here in the centre of Paris. Homesick - the usual Sunday blues.” 9:47 PM Sep 26th via web
This meeting will decide the rallyfuture for years to come, so they better get it right !
Wonder if they ever are in on forums like this to check out what the close followers and fans mean. If they loose us, they loose the sponsors as well.
Lets hope they keep it real simple, and makes most of the classes affordable for a privateers - including WRC, so that we get the volumes we need of cars that can win, like in IRC !
Fingers crossed !
Maybe the 2wd Megane is will represent the R4 class we have been talking about, and that the upper classes will be SP and WRC as the two only 4wd cars ?
Any news yet?
Lets hope for 34mm for R4
I was looking for something else but then I noticed this (where the header is “liitto tiedottaa”, date 9.9.10).
This is mostly about Finnish Championship but R4 would be an international class. The FIN R 4WD is basically group A regulations (34 mm restrictor etc.). Could this FIN R 4WD and proposed changes be a base for the R4 regulations.
http://translate.google.com/translat...ourheilu.fi%2F
Changes predictable in FIN R 4WD's technical regulations - cars to join the Finnish Rally Championship
N4, unfortunately, seems to be vanishing folklore among car manufacturers. The group has had two major car manufacturers, Mitsubishi and Subaru. N4 car sales have largely ceased after the new international class Super 2000's was introduced, and it made the transition to the national championships.
There are thousands of N4 cars in the world, and particular in the Nordic countries. In practice, we should consider how we could revitalize the category and to give these cars a little more lifetime. At the same time we are worried, of course, about the Finnish Rally Championship.
There has been made a proposal to FIA from Finland about new homologations for N4 cars and change the N4 regulations in line with the new R regulations to a R4 class. These cars would be based on the N4 homologations, but they’re weight could be reduced to R-group regulations and all parts would be homologated. The two car manufacturers want to make their cars faster to be able to better compete with Super2000 cars.
We believe that the direction is not entirely correct nationally. Our competition cars should be based on existing FIN-R 4WD rules, and the N4 cars shouldn’t either be excluded from the championship. Sure it would be possible to also participate with the future FIA R4-rules cars, of which is made in Finland own rules when the class is the first approved by FIA.
AKK-Motorsport has prepared a draft for FIN R 4WD's technical rules changes. Our proposal is based on the following points:
- N4 cars are not homologated any longer in the future and class will disappear from the world
- We need more cars to the Finnish Championship
- The car’s rules should be at nationally appropriate cost levels
- The cars should be able to been build in a "garage"
- Only parts based on homologations always increases the costs
- We do not deny the N4 cars, it would be still possible to fight for the Finnish Championship with N4 cars
- The existing WRC cars are unable to drive in the Finnish Championship with this rule changes made to the FIN 4WD class
Listing the proposed changes, FIN-R 4WD technical rules can be found here.
And the proposed changes are:
- The model of the make should be of year 2000 or younger. FIA R4 homologation can be used.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- The min. weight would be 1130 kg.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 4.16. Exhaust system: waste gate is free, but the type and method of operation must be maintained. The exhaust system is free excluding the turbo.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 5.3. Final drive and differential: however, additional lubrication and cooling is allowed (a recirculating pump, radiator, air intake under the car) under the same conditions as in paragraph 4.14.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 6.7. Shocks: The anchorage of the top of the shocks may be increased up to 40 mm.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.1. Lightening and reinforcements: the material of the bonnet and the hatch of luggage compartment, front fenders, rear doors and rear spoiler can be changed, but the format will follow the original shape. The shape of the inner side is free or can be removed.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.3.1. Dashboard: The dashboard highest point in front of the steering wheel may be lowered but not more than 50 mm.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.3.7. Heating System: FREE[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]
- 10.2.6. Glasses: The windscreen and both front doors windows must be approved for road use, which will also be marked in the glass. Only mass-produced or homologated (minimum weight 9.2 kg) windscreens may be used. Laminated glass windshield is mandatory. The rear side windows and rear glass can be changed to plastic (original format), provided that they are transparent and the thickness of at least 3 mm.[/*:m:3tbdg1fb]