2010 Cars, teams, drivers

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7th November 2009, 19:14
alleskids

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

Looks like Peugeot Belux will announce at the start of Condroz rally(this thursday??)2010 IRC program for promising Thierry Neuville :)

Peugeot Belux announced the 207 CUP, with no word about IRC or Thierry Neuville.
9th November 2009, 23:51
Mirek

Skoda will use new evolution (wider body, facelifted mask) since second IRC round probably. Current model will still be used in Monte Carlo.

Photos of 2010 evolution (mask will probably be changed after Geneve autoshow):

http://honzav.webnode.cz/fotogalerie...cbm_919394/12/

http://files.honzav.webnode.cz/20000...c/PB060132.JPG
10th November 2009, 04:14
jonas_mcrae

Now that the Fabia is proven to be a really good rally car. Im starting to wonder what a good business it is as well. So 13 car have been sold, each one is what? EUR400-500,000? How much does it cost to make one? at least 300,000? Big profits right there.

Then they hire them all the time, how many fabias do you see competing in CZ, Poland, and of course IRC. Plus they provide technical assitance, parts, etc.

In my opinion (And its just MY opinion, hope some of the CZ guys can tell me if Im roght/wrong) the Fabia has already paid for developing costs and is now making profits. I think this project was designed and planned deep inside Skoda/VW and from the beginning it was thought not only to win but to make profits.

So... RALLYING IS PROFITABLE!!!
(and in this financial environment that is a HUGE thing)

I guess Peugeot and Fiat have also sold a fair amount of cars, it would be interesting to know what kind of profits they are making.
(I know M-Sport is very profitable, but would be nice to know how much are these "small" operations are making)
10th November 2009, 08:31
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Skoda will use new evolution (wider body, facelifted mask) since second IRC round probably. Current model will still be used in Monte Carlo.

Photos of 2010 evolution (mask will probably be changed after Geneve autoshow):

http://honzav.webnode.cz/fotogalerie...cbm_919394/12/

http://files.honzav.webnode.cz/20000...c/PB060132.JPG

Fabia looks nice even wider :)

Mirek, I think this test model has new wider, lower front grille.. But I am waiting for new headlights too maybe?
10th November 2009, 08:52
ProRally

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonas_mcrae

Now that the Fabia is proven to be a really good rally car. Im starting to wonder what a good business it is as well. So 13 car have been sold, each one is what? EUR400-500,000? How much does it cost to make one? at least 300,000? Big profits right there.

Then they hire them all the time, how many fabias do you see competing in CZ, Poland, and of course IRC. Plus they provide technical assitance, parts, etc.

In my opinion (And its just MY opinion, hope some of the CZ guys can tell me if Im roght/wrong) the Fabia has already paid for developing costs and is now making profits. I think this project was designed and planned deep inside Skoda/VW and from the beginning it was thought not only to win but to make profits.

So... RALLYING IS PROFITABLE!!!
(and in this financial environment that is a HUGE thing)

I guess Peugeot and Fiat have also sold a fair amount of cars, it would be interesting to know what kind of profits they are making.
(I know M-Sport is very profitable, but would be nice to know how much are these "small" operations are making)

From what I hear, a Skoda is around 285.000 euro full option, maybe Mirek know more, but definitely less than 400.000 let alone 500.000 euro. Even new WRC car will be less than 400K
There might be some profit but not that much that after 13 cars ALL the development is paid for
10th November 2009, 09:08
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProRally

From what I hear, a Skoda is around 285.000 euro full option, maybe Mirek know more, but definitely less than 400.000 let alone 500.000 euro. Even new WRC car will be less than 400K
There might be some profit but not that much that after 13 cars ALL the development is paid for

Maybe not profit, but if it can help pay for the IRC programme it is a nice circular scheme :)

A new WRCar I think costs more than 400,000 Euros though?
10th November 2009, 09:18
Sulland

2010 tech upgrade

Has the 2010 regs been changed from 2009, to include 1820 with ?

Are there other changes, I have not seen any reg changes from FIA, can anyone post a link ?
10th November 2009, 10:04
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

Maybe not profit, but if it can help pay for the IRC programme it is a nice circular scheme :)

A new WRCar I think costs more than 400,000 Euros though?

2003 Focus wit lot of spare parts cost about 200 000 Euros
2006 Subaru S12 costs about 220 000 Euros
2007 Subaru S12B costs about 300 000 Euros
2006-2007 Focus costs from 350 000 - 420 000 Euros right now
Newest Evolution does not cost much more, that means definitely not over 500 000 EUR.
10th November 2009, 10:04
noel157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

Has the 2010 regs been changed from 2009, to include 1820 with ?

Are there other changes, I have not seen any reg changes from FIA, can anyone post a link ?

VW and their Scirocco are responsible to the revised width.
10th November 2009, 12:22
Barreis

New M-sport Focus WRC 2008 is 500 000GBP plus VAT.. Fabia S2000 is from 210 000 (used) to 269 000 euros (new) plus VAT..

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