Obama shows sense of realism

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And that, I believe, is a great shame. It is ridiculous that so many in the West — holding varied political views, too — base a large part of their opinion of nuclear power on an accident that occurred in the Soviet Union almost 25 years ago, involving technology and safety measures that bear no relation to those in place in the West today. Such are irrational fears.

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100% agree on that.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

I think you understand this issue far better than most Finns. Or let's say better than our 200 members of parlament :up:

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You'd be the first Finn on this forum to agree with me. Eki seems to think the Russians are benign...but then again I have yet him to really get serious about condemning anyone but the US and George W Bush for anything...

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And that, I believe, is a great shame. It is ridiculous that so many in the West — holding varied political views, too — base a large part of their opinion of nuclear power on an accident that occurred in the Soviet Union almost 25 years ago, involving technology and safety measures that bear no relation to those in place in the West today. Such are irrational fears.

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VERY true...I can agree with this one.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

You'd be the first Finn on this forum to agree with me. Eki seems to think the Russians are benign...but then again I have yet him to really get serious about condemning anyone but the US and George W Bush for anything...

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But A.F.F. is an old fascist who still dreams about the Great Finland ;)

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Originally Posted by Eki

But A.F.F. is an old fascist who still dreams about the Great Finland ;)

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AFF has been in the Sauna too long

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Originally Posted by Eki

But A.F.F. is an old fascist who still dreams about the Great Finland ;)

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A country which has drivers like Hakkinen and Raikkonen is great in my opinion :-)

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Originally Posted by F1boat

A country which has drivers like Hakkinen and Raikkonen is great in my opinion :-)

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Yes, but I was talking about size, not quality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Finland

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Greater Finland (Finnish: Suur-Suomi) was an idea which was born in some irredentist movements emphasizing pan-Finnicism and expressed a Finnish version of pre-World War II European nationalism. It was imagined to include Finland as well as territories inhabited by ethnically-related Finnic peoples: Finns, Karelians, Estonians, Ingrians, and Kvens. The Greater Finland idea gained dramatically in popularity and influence in 1917, and lost its ground and support after World War II and the Continuation War.
The most coined version of "Greater Finland" was thought to be limited by so-called natural borders encompassing the territories inhabited by Finns and Karelians, ranging from the White Sea to Lake Onega and along River Svir and River Neva – or, more modestly, River Sestra – to the Gulf of Finland. Some proponents also included Ingria, Estonia, northern Finnmark, and the Torne Valley.
In some utopian or humorous mind-sets the most extended Greater Finland included the entire area from the Gulf of Bothnia to the Ural Mountains and even beyond to the areas of western Siberia, where some Uralic speakers live also today.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And that, I believe, is a great shame. It is ridiculous that so many in the West — holding varied political views, too — base a large part of their opinion of nuclear power on an accident that occurred in the Soviet Union almost 25 years ago, involving technology and safety measures that bear no relation to those in place in the West today. Such are irrational fears.

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That has been the story with many technologies down the years, initial problems leading to a complete abandonment when the principles are completely sound.

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Originally Posted by Eki

But A.F.F. is an old fascist who still dreams about the Great Finland ;)

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Very true. Finland to the Finns. I'd lock the borders. You may visit here but pretty please, and sugar on the top, don't stay too long.

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Originally Posted by Mark

That has been the story with many technologies down the years, initial problems leading to a complete abandonment when the principles are completely sound.

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That was why people forgot about electric cars. Gasoline cars were much faster and more efficient, but the technology of electric cars was sound in that it was still worth more research than the auto industry gave it. That said, they gained a lot more with gas and diesel.....so I cant fault them really entirely...