Webber--dirty driver and hypocrite

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11th May 2009, 16:59
woody2goody

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Originally Posted by studiose

Did he? I seem to remember that only McLaren and Ferrari used KERS in Barcelona. And even if that weren't the case, would Webber not have known about it? :erm:

I'm pretty sure Alonso had KERS. They said it on the BBC broadcast. Both DC and Brundle mentioned it.

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Well, a lot of other people certainly found fault with it. Real experts, too.

If you can find me proof then I'll entertain the idea ;)

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Ah. So he veered to the right just to let Alonso by on the left?

Alonso could have gone to the left could he not?
11th May 2009, 17:04
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

I'm pretty sure Alonso had KERS. They said it on the BBC broadcast. Both DC and Brundle mentioned it.

Yes, I also just read that he did. Nevertheless, Webber knew he had it, didn't he.. Not that it matters much to the argument.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

If you can find me proof then I'll entertain the idea ;)

You want proof that Senna was/is widely condemned for Estoril '88?? My dear fellow, do some reading. ;) The proof is... everywhere! :)

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Alonso could have gone to the left could he not?

Yes. I was needlessly sarcastic towards you regarding that point. Sorry.

As to the squeezing, I disagree. But I guess that's pretty clear by now. :)
11th May 2009, 17:31
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by henners88

Studiose I don't think the people you are arguing with are ever going to agree with you or vice versa... We all seem to be going round in circles just repeating the same points in a different way in the vain hope that someone is going to give..The chap who originally posted the thread hasn't contributed for a long while so he's either changed his mind or can't be bothered?

In reality I think it was an excellent move by Webber, but I really don't care whether anyone else agree with me or not, as its all down to opinion... :o

Yes, I guess you're right. :) But then, when has a forum debate ever ended with one side putting their hands up and saying, "You're right, we were wrong." :) We argue for the sake of arguing. It's pointless, but it's fun. :) And positions which start out as something vague based on emotions end up being much clearer and, hopefully, reasoned. Which is good.

But yes. The well does seem to be somewhat exhausted now. I for one don't have anything significant to add to what I've already written. So...
11th May 2009, 17:50
woody2goody

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Originally Posted by studiose

You want proof that Senna was/is widely condemned for Estoril '88?? My dear fellow, do some reading. ;) The proof is... everywhere! :)

I still thought you meant the Webber incident. My bad :D

I'm still surprised Senna was so criticised for his manoeuvre.
11th May 2009, 17:52
woody2goody

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Originally Posted by Ent

I think that's the point some people here are missing. It was a brilliant overtaking move by Alonso. He has a history of it. Didn't he overtake someone on the outside of 130R at Suzuka?

M Schumacher. Twice in the same race in 2005!
11th May 2009, 17:52
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed its fun for a while I will agree This topic has attracted opinions which are overwhelmingly against yours so I would have hated for this to turn into some kind of Zulu war where you are hidiously out numbered LOL... I respect the fact that you have stood up for your opinion for this long however... thumbs up mate

Hehe, thanks! I must admit it did feel very lonely at one point, and I almost caved at one time, at around post #66. But then much-needed reinforcements arrived in the form of Markabilly and especially Fousto, and after that it was much easier. :) -> :D -> :laugh:

Oh dear God, we must find something better to do with our time! :laugh:

I have to say, though, that never did I think I was trolling, as Ent suggested. I really don't like what Webber did. I know it's not a popular opinion, but it's mine. ;)
11th May 2009, 18:16
jens

I understand studiose's reasoning well and it has fair arguments. But I think the reason, why people aren't "against" that move is that Webber realized his 'mistake' quickly and moved quickly back to left. And secondly we didn't have any dramas due to that move - Alonso managed to complete his manouvre properly. It was different with Schumacher vs Frentzen at Montreal in '98 for example. Schumacher didn't leave enough room for Frentzen on the track and HHF spun off as a result - hence everyone was furious. Consequences are what tend to make up people's minds.
11th May 2009, 18:34
yodasarmpit

FFS, Webber moved first, as shown clearly in the screen grabs posted further back there was no blocking.
Alonso just decided to overtake regardless, and did so brilliantly.
11th May 2009, 20:38
big_sw2000

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Originally Posted by studiose

Hehe, thanks! I must admit it did feel very lonely at one point, and I almost caved at one time, at around post #66. But then much-needed reinforcements arrived in the form of Markabilly and especially Fousto, and after that it was much easier. :) -> :D -> :laugh:

Oh dear God, we must find something better to do with our time! :laugh:

I have to say, though, that never did I think I was trolling, as Ent suggested. I really don't like what Webber did. I know it's not a popular opinion, but it's mine. ;)

Yes i agree, its gone to far know, ive been getting very argumentive, sorry to any one i offended (Studiose). But its 2 diffrent views, which we will stick with to the death. So there. WE ARE ALL RIGHT. I think.
11th May 2009, 20:42
EuroTroll

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Originally Posted by big_sw2000

Yes i agree, its gone to far know, ive been getting very argumentive, sorry to any one i offended (Studiose). But its 2 diffrent views, which we will stick with to the death. So there. WE ARE ALL RIGHT. I think.

Of course. ;) No complaints at all! It was spirited, but it never got nasty. :up:

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