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31st October 2008, 20:39
Damon

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Originally Posted by beachgirl

Yes, it is true. For whatever reason, none of the competition ran the full series. And that's what I said in my post.

And you make it seem like she started every race and that's the ONLY reason she finished ahead of Briscoe and Enge for Rookie of the Year, when the truth is in the same number of starts as those guys she finished ahead of them both.

2005 ROY points: Danica 325 points, Enge 261, Briscoe 232

Enge got a DNS at Motegi, but still got 12 points for it and missed Milwaukee and Michigan completely, so he lost 12 points total, giving him 249 points in 14 starts

Briscoe got a DNS at Milwaukee, but still got 12 points anyway and missed Watkins Glen and Fontana, so he too lost just 12 points, giving him 220 points in 14 starts

Danica vs Enge: Take away Motegi, Milwaukee and Michigan, she loses 56 points, but still has 269 points in 14 starts, 20 more than Enge in the same number of races

Danica vs Briscoe: Take away Milwaukee, Watkins Glen and Fotana, she loses 38 points, but still has 287 points, 67 more than Briscoe in the same number of races

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Look, you're a fan of hers, as is Danicafan, which is fine. Every racer needs fans, and I'm sure I like quite a few that you would just laugh at. Terrific. However, the pandering regarding her "greatness" is just over the top. She's a decent driver, and she does have a place in the series, but she's not the Second Coming.

Other than DanicaFan, who said she's the "Second Coming"? In fact, I'd say this statement is pretty much right on the money:

Originally Posted by downtowndeco
http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...121#post552121
A seven page thread is all that is needed to show she has earned her spot in the drivers seat, either by being a decent driver (and finishing 6th in the points IS decent) or by tweaking enough people either one way or another so much they take the time to either bitch about her or defend her.

If she had finished 17th in the standings and this thread was 5 posts long, yeah, you'd have a point. But the 6th place finish and 7 pages shows she's earned her spot in the seat (and the sponsorship she has) .

If you notice, downtowndeco isn't saying she's a top 5 driver in the series or "the second coming" as you put it and if you actually READ my post, I don't even say anything close to that, but you apparently took that and ran with it in a completely different direction.

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Re the second part, above. Dario, Graham, and Ryan have all won previously, in various series. and in Dario's case, in IRL for years. And they will all win again. They have a winner's mentality, a winner's drive, and a winner's record. You're intentionally missing the point so that you can support a person who wants to win, but won't (or can't?) do what it takes to get there other than by team directed fuel strategy. She should be kissing the ground that Kim Green and Kyle Moyer walk on.

I'm NOT missing the point because the point I was making wasn't even about winners mentality or whatever junk you've come up with to deflect from what my point actually was, it was about specific races that drivers won where they get all the credit and never have people saying their win doesn't count or it was only by fuel strategy or it was only this/it was only that.

It's funny how Danica's win gets tossed under the bus when you see races that are won in similiar fashions ALL THE TIME, yet she does it and the anti-Danica crowd is quick to poo-poo her win and make excuses, when they wouldn't do that to anybody else, that's the problem I have.
31st October 2008, 21:21
TURN3

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Originally Posted by Damon

It's funny how Danica's win gets tossed under the bus when you see races that are won in similiar fashions ALL THE TIME, yet she does it and the anti-Danica crowd is quick to poo-poo her win and make excuses, when they wouldn't do that to anybody else, that's the problem I have.

Danica's win gets thrown under the bus not only because it was an absolute lucky crapshoot but because even the leader of the race didn't even know she was on the lead lap. Tell me how almighty Team Penske makes an error like that? It could happen of course but the consensus from the drivers and teams leads one to believe there might have been...uhhh....scoring issue there. She probably was on the lead lap and maybe shown lower while scoring cycled through but she pitted at virtually the same time as Helio...had Helio known he was racing her she again, as usual, would have had no chance. Her team won that race and maybe with a little gentle IRL help, maybe not. It was hardly a racers greatest hour though.

By comparison, a win like Rahal for exampe is different in that he ran some of the fastest laps of the race once he got up front and he ran away from all the big boys. Yeah, he got there through strategy but he stayed there by talent and speed. On a course he'd never even seen on so much as a simulator in a car he'd never competed in.

Get the point?
31st October 2008, 23:53
beachbum

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Originally Posted by Starter

"But the 6th place finish and 7 pages shows she's earned her spot in the seat (and the sponsorship she has).'

Actually, he does have a point, at least about the 7 pages of posts (attention she draws), sponsors love it.

Yeah, all 2 dozen of the posters on this thread will really make a dent in sponsor hits, especially since only a handful of posts have been positive. The thread on the "Phoenix Rising" (the rebirth of Champ Car?) has almost as many posts and views. I am sure sponsors are watching that thread like a hawk to find the next big sponsor opportunity. Right.

We are all just preaching to the choir. It is fun, but essentially meaningless entertainment.
1st November 2008, 01:42
downtowndeco

You can't have it both ways.

Either this thread is indicative of the general public's feelings on Danica (your view) or it is not.

You can't say "People are tired of her and are sick of her antics" and then when it is pointed out that she still stirs strong feelings with the fans therefor she's a good return for her sponsors say "Oh, this is just a stupid internet thread and it doesn't mean anything".

Again. Can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by beachbum

Yeah, all 2 dozen of the posters on this thread will really make a dent in sponsor hits, especially since only a handful of posts have been positive. The thread on the "Phoenix Rising" (the rebirth of Champ Car?) has almost as many posts and views. I am sure sponsors are watching that thread like a hawk to find the next big sponsor opportunity. Right.

We are all just preaching to the choir. It is fun, but essentially meaningless entertainment.
1st November 2008, 02:27
downtowndeco

You can't have it both ways.

Either this thread is indicative of the general public's feelings on Danica (your view) or it is not.

You can't say "People are tired of her and are sick of her antics" and then when it is pointed out that she still stirs strong feelings with the fans therefor she's a good return for her sponsors say "Oh, this is just a stupid internet thread and it doesn't mean anything".

Again. Can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by beachbum

Yeah, all 2 dozen of the posters on this thread will really make a dent in sponsor hits, especially since only a handful of posts have been positive. The thread on the "Phoenix Rising" (the rebirth of Champ Car?) has almost as many posts and views. I am sure sponsors are watching that thread like a hawk to find the next big sponsor opportunity. Right.

We are all just preaching to the choir. It is fun, but essentially meaningless entertainment.
1st November 2008, 05:13
harvick#1

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Originally Posted by D28

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I have read this statement in the press, but have always discounted it ( everything one reads is not always true). I assume the "major" qualifier eliminates Katherine Legge's 3 wins in 2005 F Atlantic. That leaves Desire Wilson as the best candidate with her 1980 Brands Hatch victory in the British F1 Series. If that is not major enough, she won Prototype races at Monza and Silverstone in 1980 with Alain DeCadenet. Surely this must count even with the shared drive.

D28, you didn't read it right, she was the first female driver to win at Twin Motegi :p :

also Liz Halliday took 2nd overall and won P2 at the 12 Hours of Sebring in a privateer entry, only to lose the the famed Audi R8, not to shabby
1st November 2008, 11:46
Damon

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Originally Posted by TURN3

By comparison, a win like Rahal for exampe is different in that he ran some of the fastest laps of the race once he got up front and he ran away from all the big boys. Yeah, he got there through strategy but he stayed there by talent and speed.

No BUTS, he got there through strategy, period.

Without his team leaving him out during the round of pit stops on lap 60, he's stuck back in pack (was 17th on lap 59, the lap before 15 of the 16 cars in front of him pit, BTW) and has no chance of winning.

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Danica's win gets thrown under the bus not only because it was an absolute lucky crapshoot but because even the leader of the race didn't even know she was on the lead lap.

Her win gets thrown under the bus because there's a lot of people like you who simply hate her guts and disregard anything good that she does on the track by making excuses for it.
1st November 2008, 12:54
F1boat

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Originally Posted by Damon

No BUTS, he got there through strategy, period.

Without his team leaving him out during the round of pit stops on lap 60, he's stuck back in pack (was 17th on lap 59, the lap before 15 of the 16 cars in front of him pit, BTW) and has no chance of winning.

Her win gets thrown under the bus because there's a lot of people like you who simply hate her guts and disregard anything good that she does on the track by making excuses for it.

I agree. It is clear that she is not a great driver like Sam Hornish jr. or Gil de Ferran, but she is a decent driver and I think that people see what they want to see. They hate her because she is a pretty girl competing is a boys sport and because she is in a top team, unlike many CCWS drivers.
But she got a win, luck and strategy are part of the game. So she is a solid driver and deserves her place in the series.
1st November 2008, 14:15
downtowndeco

That's all I'm trying to say as well. She's a solid, decent river. No world beater, but very good, consistant (and the 6th place finish in the points proves it).

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I agree. It is clear that she is not a great driver like Sam Hornish jr. or Gil de Ferran, but she is a decent driver and I think that people see what they want to see. They hate her because she is a pretty girl competing is a boys sport and because she is in a top team, unlike many CCWS drivers.
But she got a win, luck and strategy are part of the game. So she is a solid driver and deserves her place in the series.
1st November 2008, 16:04
D28

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

D28, you didn't read it right, she was the first female driver to win at Twin Motegi :p :

also Liz Halliday took 2nd overall and won P2 at the 12 Hours of Sebring in a privateer entry, only to lose the the famed Audi R8, not to shabby

Actally I am reading it correctly, the claim was widely publicized last Apr, that Danica was the first winner worldwide. This is untrue. She is the first female IndyCar winner, or the first in major American Open Wheel series (CART, USAC, IndyCar). This by itself is an important achievement and a milestone in womens motorsport. There is no need to hype the record beyond this. Your point on Liz Halliday is well taken. Sebring is obviously a major international race and a class win is significant. Probably this makes LH the first female American winner of a major race. Any other candidates?

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