PROPER to watch? Sheesh.
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PROPER to watch? Sheesh.
You're not getting this.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
They would NOT be chasing after the same fans. It's an arrive and drive vintage racing series. It will appeal to people, like myself, who enjoy vintage racing. It will also appeal to people, like myself, who were CART fans, and when that was gone we were fans of the next closest thing, until that became a shadow of its former self and there wasn't another interesting product out there. These people, like myself, see no appeal in the current technical specifications or management of the IRL, so we will never become IRL fans. Never. The latest news is that they have decided the high-downforce formula is the way to go, including on ovals. In other words, if there was any hope of something decent around the corner, that hope has now been dashed.
Along comes somebody who wants to run an arrive and drive vintage series with some appealing equipment. As with other vintage racing, most of the tab will be paid by the competitors. Like most vintage races, they will take out an insurance policy so they can have spectators, they will charge for tickets to help defray their costs, and the spectators can watch some rich guys having fun with their expensive (and nice sounding) toys and remember the good old days when we saw these cars racing when they were new.
Everybody wins.
Oh I get it all right. At first blush I thought it was exactly as you laid it out. And in that context I thought (and still think) it was a good idea. I am a HUGE fan of vintage racing. It is one of my favorite forms of racing. But then I heard noises about the new series saying they would be happy to run at Surfer's Paradise if the IRL decided not to run, and then my skeptic radar started going off, and I smelled a rat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatanut
I fully admit I might be wrong, it is much to early for EITHER of us to sum up the intentions of the series. But I am pretty sure there are those, unlike you, who see this as the second coming of CART. Or at the very least hope it to be such. (I sense a hint of that hope in your first paragraph, but take you at your word that you see this as a vintage series.)
If it turns out this is no more than an arrive and drive, rich boy hobbyist series in the vein of the other vintage series around the country, then hats off to 'em and sign me up for tickets. If, on the other hand, this is a back door attempt to reconstitute another civil war, include me out. Because if it IS a back door, then they will be fighting for the same sponsors, venues, drivers and teams. Only time will tell.
Gary
What Gary said.
They have announced they're going to run. Bill Tempero did that with the AIS years ago and they ran for several years with absolutely no impact on the series that fielded Indy cars, regardless of who sanctioned what at the time. They deliberately did NOT compete and I don't think the ALMS is, either. They're different marketing and business plans and kinds of races, just like NASCAR is. IMO, the Green Prix can do what it has to do, draw those who have an interest and go their own way without anyone getting their panties in a wad. It will not be a threat to anything else out there and there is not a fourth Civil War in the making.
You're seeing something that ain't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
My hope was that GF and KK would remodel the Atlantics with turbos and less downforce so it could go back to being one step away from F1, like it was in the '70's. An open wheel road racing series for young hotshoes trying to make it to the big time. With this guy now in control, I see zero chance of that happening and I wonder if Atlantic will even be around five years from now.
If somebody wanted to create a new series to compete against Tony's, first step is they would need to find some Sheikh with about a half a billion dollars to blow on it, and even then, the last couple of those haven't exactly set the world on fire.
This is an arrive and drive vintage racing series with the high-downforce cars we've known the last few years. I personally prefer the vintage races with the old, no downforce, bias ply-tired cars of my childhood, although I do enjoy the F-5000's. They have so much torque that even though they have some downforce, they're all over the place.
I do hope that at some point, somebody remodels and existing series or starts a new series for low-downforce, high power, cost-effective, open wheel road racing. I don't think it would take long to take off.
Like I said, I do take your word for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatanut
I too, wanted to see a low downforce, high torque, tails out series for Atlantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatanut
Can I get an AMEN! I love those beasts and the old Can-AM stuff. About 15 years ago I went to an incredible Can-AM reunion at Watkins Glen. I got to meet Denny Hulme and tip a few with Brian Redmond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatanut
Again I gotta say AMEN. As I am sure you remember, this is NOT the first time you and I have been on the same side of the low downforce, high-power, make the drivers work for it, style of racing discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by Miatanut
Cheers!
Gary
Atlantic, Star Mazda, Indy Lights all specifically copy what Indycar (or ChampCar) were doing. There was no chance under the previous owners that any of these series were going to start with a radical new formula. That becomes more likely with a new owner not affiliated with the IRL, not less. The IRL has already said the new car will be high downforce. If you dream of a low downforce high power series then start praying to Ben Johnston.
Pray for him to once again fragment AOWR into two camps at a time when the economy is already causing serious issues. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll pray he fails, if that is his plan. I'd love to see a low downforce high power series but not at the expense of the distinct possibility of it destroying AOWR in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCWS77
Gary
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Originally Posted by garyshell
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Originally Posted by Ken
Ding... dong... :D
I wonder what happened to all the cars he bought?
Gary
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Originally Posted by garyshell
Gary... your slow man
ive referenced this a couple times in the last few months...