Did Lewis deserve the drive-thru penalty?

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

:D Good read Bagwam...

LH clearly completes the pass, his corner entry is fine... but he is overtaking the car in front of him at such speed that he has to take an evasive line to avoid contact.


As the Speed TV (on Fox) commentators said...

"LH didn't gain position over Vettel by cutting the chicane... the pass was already completed...", therefore no penalty should have been assessed.

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The penalty is for advantage and not a place. If it was a place, maybe it'd have been stop/go penalty.

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Originally Posted by ioan

This is priceless, and pathetic too! The guy actually says he lost the back of the car and had to cut the chicane as a result, however the fanboys are arguing that it wasn't the case!

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I wasn't referring to written/reported comments. I was referring to the video u provided the link to. Have u watched it?

For you to use the word "fanboy" to describe anyone else in this forum is a case of pot calling the kettle black! Hahaha

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Originally Posted by gravity

I wasn't referring to written/reported comments. I was referring to the video u provided the link to. Have u watched it?

For you to use the word "fanboy" to describe anyone else in this forum is a case of pot calling the kettle black! Hahaha

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You don't know me, so keep it civilized.

As for your views on the video, you're free to express them, however the driver in that car knows better what exactly he was doing.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You don't know me, so keep it civilized.

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Our aquantance is hardly relevant in my comments.

I was replying to your comments which in turn were about my comments.

How was it not civilised?

This is actually quite funny to see LEW1S fanboys defending him, do you have no honour, dignity, honesty or pride at all? Are you really like your idol is :D ?

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Originally Posted by truefan72

the penalty was a bit harsh.

1. he had clearly passed him as they entered the chicane, and avoided crashing into the driver ahead ( which would have been the car in consideration for taking advantage off) casing him to loose time to that car and avoiding crashing into him.

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The only reason LEW1S had passed Vettel was because he decided not to bother braking for the corner. Maybe he saw a red light somewhere and it confused the poor boy again.

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2. If at all it was deemed by the stewards to be an infractrion, why was he not radio'd to let Vettel repass. Both Mclaren and Hamilton saw nothing wrong with the move,and I'm sure it is only after some dubious protest by STR that after a number of laps, they issued a penalty.

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They also saw nothing wrong with having 800 pages of another teams data.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Bad call against Hamilton.

He passes Vettel and cuts the chicane to avoid an incident with the car in front.

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He almost crashed into the car in front of him, because he approached the corner with crazy speed and was never going to make it. If he had braked properly, he would have had no danger of crashing into the car ahead.
They should have put a wall there, wonder what LEW1S had done then.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Lewis explains it pretty well in this article:
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=35208

Sorry, I can't quote it as it is a copy proof site.

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No it isn`t :P

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

No it isn`t :P

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How is it done then? I can only select all the text on the page. :(

geez ioan you call someone pathetic, the person responds correctly then you accuse them of not being civilized. Get a grip

argue your points without unnecessary insults or remarks towards the poster like 99% of all others do.

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Originally Posted by wedge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24c2GVlP2Ck

He hits the first apex which suggests Ron is correct that Lewis passed Vettel and completed the move before the chicane

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Yeah! but as a result, he was going too fast and could not take the corner; in so doing he gained an advantage. I do blame his pits for not telling him immediately to concede the place and let Vettel by. It would have taken Lewis less than a minute to re-pass Vettel.

totally fair- LH gained an advantage by straight lining the run off area- if it had been a gravel trap he's have either beached the car or done sufficient damage to render it undriveable-

part of the problem with modern F1 tracks is that there is no punishment for making mistakes- I'm not suggesting that there should be concrete barriers right next to the track- but these mile wide tarmac run off's can't just be used as part of the track

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Originally Posted by ioan

They should have fined them during the race?!
Or you were hinting that they should have disqualified Kimi because the team didn't remove the lose exhaust pipe?!

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Neither. IMHO the exhaust pipe was a potential danger and the stewards should have called him in for Ferrari to remove it. Charlie Whiting apparently thought there was no danger so we have to accept his decision.

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Originally Posted by ioan

It would have been a nice "an eye for an eye" in exchange for Lewy's (fully deserved) drive through penalty, isn't it?! :rolleyes:

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It has nothing to do with "an eye for an eye". One decision is not dependent on another. They are two entirely seperate incidents. However, there is a general lack of consistency, something which I thought may have been addressed by the appointment of a permanent steward a while ago. That permanent steward, it seems, is no longer in place. Instead we hear that Max Mosley's personal representative at GPs, and a consultant to the FIA, 'led' the stewards when they studied footage of the Hamilton incident.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Your problem is that McLaren isn't the superior machine it was last season (mostly due to spying on the best team) and this shows that Hamilton is a driver like any other.

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Time will tell if Hamilton is a driver like any other, or whether he is truly exceptional, but that is neither the issue nor any problem.