Independence

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I thought the same when I was a kid
Now I come to the oldies words: either one or another, the same devil. . :laugh:

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Better the devil not on your doorstep though ;)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Better the devil not on your doorstep though ;)

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That's impossible. This devil is ubique. And likes to play the role of the universal gendarme. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

That's impossible. This devil is ubique. And likes to play the role of the universal gendarme. :laugh:

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Perhaps. Would you not like to try a different devil next time though? :)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The only conclusion I can come from reading your post is that it's a pity that Russia didn't get kicked more while it was down. Russia is a pain in the arse and they're concerned with no one else but themselves. At least with the US they can sometimes claim they've done some of their things for the good of the world or for people other than themselves.

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I'll second gadjo_dilo, they are the same, really.
Russians also did good things for the World, I doubt that American's would have won the WWII if it wasn't for the Russians destroying the Germans in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Better the devil not on your doorstep though :)

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They all have bombers and plane carriers! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'll second gadjo_dilo, they are the same, really.
Russians also did good things for the World, I doubt that American's would have won the WWII if it wasn't for the Russians destroying the Germans in Europe.

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I agree about winning WW2 but in the end it's what you do after you win a war that decides whether you're liked or not. How many Eastern Europeans resent what happened to them because of the USSR after WW2 and how many Western Europeans have the same feelings towards the US and the UK :)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Perhaps. Would you not like to try a different devil next time though? :)

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In our history we'd already exchanged a few devils so I don't rule out a new one in the future. At the end of the day every empire raised, flourished and had a decline. Everything is mortal except for God. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I agree about winning WW2 but in the end it's what you do after you win a war that decides whether you're liked or not. How many Eastern Europeans resent what happened to them because of the USSR after WW2 and how many Western Europeans have the same feelings towards the US and the UK :)

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In fact it was mr. Churchill the one who traced the infamous line that divided Europe :laugh:
And we also blame USA for not helping us. And for letting USSR to do that to us. Try to see an excellent movie that won an award at Cannes last year: California Dreamin' ( endless ). Not only it's an excellent comedy but you'll understand our feelings.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

In fact it was mr. Churchill the one who traced the infamous line that divided Europe :laugh:
And we also blame USA for not helping us. And for letting USSR to do that to us. Try to see an excellent movie that won an award at Cannes last year: California Dreamin' ( endless ). Not only it's an excellent comedy but you'll understand our feelings.

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At the end of the day there were reasons the US didn't come steaming in with the cavalry though aren't there :) If you look deeper into things the USA did help you by financially running the USSR into the ground with the arms race. Credit where credit is due I say! ;)

If you are trying to say the US/UK should have pushed back the Soviets from Eastern Europe? Come on, we'd just endured 6 years of total war, we didn't have the capability to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Could you imagine people rioting in London if Scotland declared independance? :s

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Most of them would be jealous Australian bar staff... ;)