Honda found a bug in the McLaren CPU?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Pirelli were invited, but did they participate?!

As for Michelin's incredible mistake, who's job was to know about the real state of the track?
It's not like the resurfacing was kept a secret, everyone else seemed to know about it, it was widely reported during the weeks before the race, they simply fuked it up. Was it overconfidence or plain stupidity? I don't know. One thing is sure, they followed it up with very personal attacks directed to Max and the FIA.

In any society in this world they would have been treated the same way, thrown out.

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ioan, you are being purposefully naive again I think.

Firestone had experience of running on the new surface and as they are owned by BS, then BS had testing data for their F1 race tyres.

Mich were not allowed to test and consequently found that the new diamond cut, coupled with the banked circuit, destroyed the tyre walls.

You know this and must also concede that Mich are not clairvoyant. They could not for-see this issue.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

ioan, you are being purposefully naive again I think.

Firestone had experience of running on the new surface and as they are owned by BS, then BS had testing data for their F1 race tyres.

Mich were not allowed to test and consequently found that the new diamond cut, coupled with the banked circuit, destroyed the tyre walls.

You know this and must also concede that Mich are not clairvoyant. They could not for-see this issue.

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Come on, get with the programme! It was all David Coulthard's fault. If he, in his GPDA role, had inspected the track and then seen to it personally that the surface was changed, it would all have been different. However, because he now wants every driver in F1 to be killed as a result of his blatant disregard for safety, he didn't. Meanwhile, Lewis Hamilton couldn't be bothered to intervene either. I'm still appalled. ;)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

ioan, you are being purposefully naive again I think.

Firestone had experience of running on the new surface and as they are owned by BS, then BS had testing data for their F1 race tyres.

Mich were not allowed to test and consequently found that the new diamond cut, coupled with the banked circuit, destroyed the tyre walls.

You know this and must also concede that Mich are not clairvoyant. They could not for-see this issue.

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Who stopped Michelin from testing???
No one stopped them. I doubt that Tony George would have turned them down if they would have wanted to do a few laps on the circuit on a day when there was nothing else scheduled. Plus they can recreate everything on their testing machines, still they did nothing about it, unless you think that whining and finger pointing is something productive.

So, who stopped them???

I'm glad they are out of F1, we don't need people that try to win using the back door.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who stopped Michelin from testing???
No one stopped them. I doubt that Tony George would have turned them down if they would have wanted to do a few laps on the circuit on a day when there was nothing else scheduled. Plus they can recreate everything on their testing machines, still they did nothing about it, unless you think that whining and finger pointing is something productive.

So, who stopped them???

I'm glad they are out of F1, we don't need people that try to win using the back door.

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Come on.... you should know this.

Indy is not an FIA approved test track, and the regulations clearly state what type of testing and where they are allowed. I believe this was added to the concord agreement or sporting regulations a few years back.

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Come on.... you should know this.

Indy is not an FIA approved test track, and the regulations clearly state what type of testing and where they are allowed. I believe this was added to the concord agreement or sporting regulations a few years back.

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Formula 1 2005 sporting regulations says about testing the following:

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TESTING
63) a) No testing is permitted at sites which are not currently approved for use by Formula 1 cars. In order to ensure that venue licence conditions are respected at all times during testing, Competitors are required to inform the FIA of their test schedule in order that an observer may be appointed if deemed necessary.
b) During all Formula One testing :
- red flag procedures must be respected ;
- no other type of vehicle is permitted on the track ;
- every reasonable effort should be made to ensure that the recommendations concerning emergency services detailed in Article 16 of Appendix H to the Code are followed.

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To me this looks like it would have been possible to test in Indianapolis but don't know if there were some other limitations.

Source http://www.fia.com/resources/documen...ulations_a.pdf

Sorry, but I lost track...are we blaming a bug in the ECU for the Michelin tire failures in 2005??? ;)

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Originally Posted by DonJippo

To me this looks like it would have been possible to test in Indianapolis but don't know if there were some other limitations.

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Limitations being that, unlike every other purpose-built racetrack on the calendar, the IMS Road course is not ready-made.

Therefore, an F1 test there in 2005 would have been next to impossible, it is way too impractical.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who stopped Michelin from testing???
No one stopped them. I doubt that Tony George would have turned them down if they would have wanted to do a few laps on the circuit on a day when there was nothing else scheduled. Plus they can recreate everything on their testing machines, still they did nothing about it, unless you think that whining and finger pointing is something productive.

So, who stopped them???

I'm glad they are out of F1, we don't need people that try to win using the back door.

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Go and dig up the original thread please. It was all explained there with all regulations.

Really, this is soooo old and Mich had no opportunity to test or rectify the situation when they realised that the high speed corner, coupled with the diamond cut of the track, was destroying the tyres.

As soon as they found out, they contacted Max in London (who stayed there well away from the farce that brought F1 into disrepute) and offered to ship alternative tyres but the FIA refused as they also did to a request to slow the cars with a chicane.

The result, well, we know :(

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Originally Posted by Malllen

Limitations being that, unlike every other purpose-built racetrack on the calendar, the IMS Road course is not ready-made.

Therefore, an F1 test there in 2005 would have been next to impossible, it is way too impractical.

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Michelin have their own test tracks, prepared for to test anything at any moment. They could also have replicated the conditions on a testing bench.

Problem is they didn't do anything, I think they didn't even bother to send an engineer check the track surface while deciding the tires they would bring to the race.
They did nothing to ensure their tires were adapted to the task.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Go and dig up the original thread please. It was all explained there with all regulations.

Really, this is soooo old and Mich had no opportunity to test or rectify the situation when they realised that the high speed corner, coupled with the diamond cut of the track, was destroying the tyres.

As soon as they found out, they contacted Max in London (who stayed there well away from the farce that brought F1 into disrepute) and offered to ship alternative tyres but the FIA refused as they also did to a request to slow the cars with a chicane.

The result, well, we know :(

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What a load of bullcrap.
What if Airbus realizes that their plane can't land only after taking off?!
Michelin should have engineered their tires according to the race conditions, Who's job was to know what the race conditions will be?!
Was it Max' responsibility or Michelin's?!

Michelin were caught out because they threated the problems superficially. And such low level of professionalism shouldn't be accepted at the level of F1.