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Originally Posted by Mirek
In light of this, what are the differences btw the two VAG R5s?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
So far it looks like the Polo is quick, and maybe quicker than the sister on gravel/snow.
Long wheelbase may be an advantage on very fast events like Sweden or Finland. It may be a disadvantage on twisty roads like on Corsica. Definitely if it is a disadvantage somewhere, it's not in Sweden where we shall see it.
Anyway Polo has newer stronger engine and different suspension layout (no idea about transmission). It's not a sister car because it's based on completely different platform. It's possible that Fabia Evo will have same engine like Polo but that's just my guessing.
Transmission is also Xtrac, but not exactly the same. Diffs are very similar, but for example disconnect unit completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Regarding the wheelbase you need to remember that each R5 car has base and +/-. So basically almost 50mm each car can be longer or shorter which is quite a lot. And usually when changing wheelbase castor also changes, which is influencing the turn-in, etc.
I know that there is the tolerance +/- 1% of the stock nominal value (cca +/- 25 mm) but if anyone really checks it during the event I can't believe they can design the suspension so that they use complete tolerance limits for variable nominal position (different setup options). IMHO they need to use at least part of the tolerance to cover the real production and assembly inaccuracies.
I don't know yet how it works with Polo, but for example with Fiesta you can easily change the wheelbase by ~40mm. Of course whole setup is affected then, so needs a lot of adjustments, etc but it's doable. Also depends on ride height, etc as this changes the wheelbase also (mostly on gravel where big ride height differences possible).
And yes they check quite often the wheelbase, not only on WRC, ERC but also in national events, it's relatively easy to measure for scrutineers.
There was an interview with Tamás Tagai, owner of TRT Europe about their new C3 R5. He said that the main advantage of this car (and other PSA R5s) is the easy serviceability compared to the Fiesta and Fabia. One interesting detail he showed was the position of the turbo, which is in front of the engine, rather than near the scuttle panel as was in the 208/DS3, Fabia etc. He said that by their initial judgement, the car has good potential and looks to be well thought out and well designed, but obviously they have yet to run it on a rally. They are currently negotiating with drivers for programmes with the car, and he said hopefully they can run it both in Hungary and abroad as well.
I think this "easy serviceability" is related only to turbo, for sure rest is more "complicated" than Fabia or especially Fiesta.
Former racing driver, who turned to rallying, Dennis Rostek is going to drive VW Polo GTI R5 in the German champiosnhip. The car will be rented from BMA. First event - ADAC Saarland-Pfalz Rallye (March 8-9).
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https://www.rallye-magazin.de/drm/ar...r5-in-der-drm/
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Will there be a new Peugeot 208 R5 based on the new generation 208 that is coming?
Yes, I think I read somewhere that it will be. Anyway, take it with a pinch of salt. Manu's sometimes say things and then don't go thru with themQuote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
In 2017, Famin said there will be one from it, but it might have changed since then. There will be an R2 from it at least, but I think R5 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
First win on asphalt for the Polo R5 by Princen in the Haspengouw Rally. Did a perfect rally and the two testing days seemed enough to adapt to the Polo R5.
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Princen - lots of talent, shame it never came together at top level for him.
Looking at the Haspengouw results somebody might say:''we have a new sheriff in town''......VW Polo R5....
Depends on the country and the driver's.
The Fiesta R5 is still dominant in the UK & Ireland despite numerous Fabia's and now i20's...
In Northern France William Wagner won his first outing with the Polo R5. Quentin Gilbert, who was second (and only competitor closely following), also with Polo R5, retired with a damaged wheel.
@Fast Eddie, of course they're still dominant, there are no Polo's yet on the British Isles.
From today's results the Belgian one says a lot more about Polo than the French one. There was nearly nobody to compete with Wagner and Gilbert.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Well, Mauffrey was close on the first stage, but lost over a minute on the second. Salanon also participated, but went out on the very first stage... But indeed, no comparison like there was in Rally van Haspengouw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Mirek while polo seems is very fast out of the box,i d like to wait for more rallies to see how it compares with fabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Wasn t Princen and Cherain also faster with different cars at previous years?
Of course we'll see more with more results but it's clear that the car is at least as fast as Fabia or faster. Have you seen it already live? I did and already from the first moment I had a feeling that everything about the car looks to be right. Maybe you remmeber that I wrote that after Prague rallysprint in early December.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
yes i remember what you wrote.No i havent seen it live.
Verschueren was on pace with them last year when they where all running Fabia's. He couldn't keep up this year (difference was not big but it was there) and punctured twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Must be noted aswell that this was his first outing on Pirelli's, before that he was on Michelin.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
I have to say that the new Peuegot 208 is very nice looking car (way better than C3 IMHO) which would look awesome with the wide body kit. I hope they make the R5 of it!
http://img3.auto.cz/news/img/galleri...39dabe8be7.jpg
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But the Fabia and i20 are both here and newer and didnt dislodge the Fiesta from the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Dont like it... too much of a crossover look IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That 208 is quite different (to previous Peugeots)
To me it looks more Citroen-style.
New Fabia is probably bit faster than Polo.
That´s what current Polo owners (who had Fabia before) thinks.
It´s also expected. And Polo and others will develop.
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Shares its platform with the DS3 Crossback.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
The platform has zero influence on the looks.
What's already built on it might...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Technically yes. But I have noticed VAG cars now sharing styling cues these days too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Polo and Fabia have different platforms...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I am aware of this, but I have no idea how it relates to my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
You’re probably right about PSA doing the same; each group brand has his design team and above them there’s a PSA styling director (Jean Pierre Ploué).Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
With the economic situation and having just bought Opel it must be doubtful there will be a new 208 R5.
new fabia r5 at Geneva
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D05CyDRX0AAgUkM.jpg
the 208 looks like a mini-suv
results are in... ITS SHIT.