Hyundai i20 WRC

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Originally Posted by lewalcindor

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Originally Posted by 306 Cosworth

It did seem that VW team took a rather "German" route* with how it developed the Polo WRC, since they didn't bring it to competition until they deemed it ready to match the other WRC cars. By contrast, the Hyundai team seems to be taking a "Korean" route with the i20 WRC by throwing it immediately into competition (even if it's still somewhat half-baked) and continuing to develop it as the season progresses.

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Maybe we should think of this year for Hyundai like VW's year with the Fabia.. learning some stuff about how to run a rally team, developing the car in background. Afterall they will have a brand new car next year so this one doesn't matter too much.

@lewalcindor

Dude , linking cultural practices in manufacturing with why the Germans and Japanese were allies in the war is going to open you up to mockery and derision. It was a dumb comment. Don't try and justify it , best to leave it be and move on while your ahead. At any rate its completely off topic.

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Originally Posted by RS

Maybe we should think of this year for Hyundai like VW's year with the Fabia.. learning some stuff about how to run a rally team, developing the car in background. Afterall they will have a brand new car next year so this one doesn't matter too much.

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The only differences, I suppose, is that Hyundai is actually putting their name on their development car (though it's not like they have any subsidiary brands that they can use, unless you count Kia), and that the i20 is going to be built to the full WRC formula specs rather than the S2000 formula specs that the Fabia did (and still does).

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Originally Posted by ThomasS

@lewalcindor

Dude , linking cultural practices in manufacturing with why the Germans and Japanese were allies in the war is going to open you up to mockery and derision. It was a dumb comment. Don't try and justify it , best to leave it be and move on while your ahead. At any rate its completely off topic.

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I admit it was a throwaway comment that I'm not completely serious about (though I still think that there's at least a grain of truth behind it - it's not like they just became allies for no reason, right?). The problem is that you linked my entire post and called it "bollocks" rather than just referring to that statement, so I took it upon myself to say what I had to say in my following post.

I apologize for it, but next time, call me out on specific statements instead of calling my entire post bullshit.

I would love to see your references for "keeping face " and " not bringing shame". Where did you get that from ?

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Originally Posted by RS

Maybe we should think of this year for Hyundai like VW's year with the Fabia.. learning some stuff about how to run a rally team, developing the car in background. Afterall they will have a brand new car next year so this one doesn't matter too much.

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Absolutely. I think this year's result's won't matter much for them, they'll count on Neuville's ambition to get some, if he will be capable of course, but mostly it'll be tesing and development I believe.

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Originally Posted by ThomasS

I would love to see your references for "keeping face " and " not bringing shame". Where did you get that from ?

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Graham Robson's book on the Celica GT-Four from his "Rally Giants" series. You could literally buy it for less than a dollar (it goes closer to $5 US when you add shipping, but it's still a great deal. You almost can't not buy it for that price, and I highly recommend it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/184..._prd_ttl_sol_1

So if you do have the book at hand, or when you do buy it, turn to Page 29 to see this quote for yourself:

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Because the Japanese have a policy of not 'losing face' if it can be avoided, Toyota's initial approach to campaigning the four-wheel-drive Celicas was to reveal as little as possible about the cars to the media, and particularly to keep many of their problems behind closed doors.

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There it is in writing, and from the pen of a very well respected racing and rally journalist. I did muck up what he actually wrote a bit, but the meaning is still there.

Look - I know in today's modern less-savage world, we like to think of ourselves as totally enlightened and completely willing to look at all cultural stereotypes as nothing more than fiction. But the problem with that thought process is that every culture IS different, and that many cultural stereotypes don't just exist for the sheer reason that some nasty individuals in the past decided one day to make them up on the spot to try to spite that culture and the people who grew up within it. Stereotypes exist because enough has been acted upon or done by the culture for others (even the culture and the people themselves) to label them with such generalizations. I'm not saying everybody from that culture fits these stereotypes, obviously.

As for the Koreans, their stereotype here is trying to beat Japan at their own game, whether it's automobiles or electronics. The origins behind this one is obvious - Japan during the first half of the 20th Century had occupied and ruled over Korea, and the Japanese essentially tried to completely quash the Korean language and culture altogether. There's no love lost between the two nations, and even if Japan doesn't necessarily see Korea as a competitor, Korea does see Japan as a competitor.

And my statement of the Koreans "putting products on the market even if they're not perfect" is borne out by Samsung. Do you see many Sony flat-panel TVs out there, or is Samsung dominating the market? Samsung didn't necessarily produce the best TVs. They simply put them out on the market even if they were somewhat flawed at first, continued to develop and improve the TVs, and let the consumers keep buying them until the name "Samsung" was synonymous with high end TVs. Meanwhile, Sony did what it had always done - they developed their flat panel TVs the "Japanese" way, and didn't put their TVs out on the market until they deemed it good enough. Of course, by that time, Samsung was already well ahead in market share.

Isn´t this post-bar-talk in an empty afterparty, 5 o clock in the morning after a wet evening? Very off topic, I would say.

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Originally Posted by lewalcindor

... Do you see many Sony flat-panel TVs out there, or is Samsung dominating the market? ...

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share your opinion on the Colorado Beetle vs the Asian Longhorned Beetle and their impact on the Global Warming next...

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Originally Posted by lewalcindor

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Originally Posted by ThomasS

I would love to see your references for "keeping face " and " not bringing shame". Where did you get that from ?

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Graham Robson's book on the Celica GT-Four from his "Rally Giants" series. You could literally buy it for less than a dollar (it goes closer to $5 US when you add shipping, but it's still a great deal. You almost can't not buy it for that price, and I highly recommend it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/184..._prd_ttl_sol_1

So if you do have the book at hand, or when you do buy it, turn to Page 29 to see this quote for yourself:

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Because the Japanese have a policy of not 'losing face' if it can be avoided, Toyota's initial approach to campaigning the four-wheel-drive Celicas was to reveal as little as possible about the cars to the media, and particularly to keep many of their problems behind closed doors.

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There it is in writing, and from the pen of a very well respected racing and rally journalist. I did muck up what he actually wrote a bit, but the meaning is still there.

Look - I know in today's modern less-savage world, we like to think of ourselves as totally enlightened and completely willing to look at all cultural stereotypes as nothing more than fiction. But the problem with that thought process is that every culture IS different, and that many cultural stereotypes don't just exist for the sheer reason that some nasty individuals in the past decided one day to make them up on the spot to try to spite that culture and the people who grew up within it. Stereotypes exist because enough has been acted upon or done by the culture for others (even the culture and the people themselves) to label them with such generalizations. I'm not saying everybody from that culture fits these stereotypes, obviously.

As for the Koreans, their stereotype here is trying to beat Japan at their own game, whether it's automobiles or electronics. The origins behind this one is obvious - Japan during the first half of the 20th Century had occupied and ruled over Korea, and the Japanese essentially tried to completely quash the Korean language and culture altogether. There's no love lost between the two nations, and even if Japan doesn't necessarily see Korea as a competitor, Korea does see Japan as a competitor.

And my statement of the Koreans "putting products on the market even if they're not perfect" is borne out by Samsung. Do you see many Sony flat-panel TVs out there, or is Samsung dominating the market? Samsung didn't necessarily produce the best TVs. They simply put them out on the market even if they were somewhat flawed at first, continued to develop and improve the TVs, and let the consumers keep buying them until the name "Samsung" was synonymous with high end TVs. Meanwhile, Sony did what it had always done - they developed their flat panel TVs the "Japanese" way, and didn't put their TVs out on the market until they deemed it good enough. Of course, by that time, Samsung was already well ahead in market share.

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Are you a real person ?