Rally Finland 2011

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Originally Posted by KKSF

Jumps & speed.
KKSF video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGUtxBIwxZY

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Very nice video! thank yoy!

What about Salos speed? in some stages was very fast,maybe a well driven R4 have close the gap with s2000?

onboard with paddon on stage 17: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47FtlwJ9zU

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

quite likely but we must see him winning against some real competition...so far his competition was Loix and Kopecky...taking into account he has about the same age as ogier he has a big mountain to climb.

the positive thing is that he is an all rounder so we will skip the part "if you know how to drive on gravel it takes 2-3 events to learn to drive on tarmac" which 80% of the time we get results like rovanperas.

But as i said if WV has no plans of running a wrc next year i guess time will run out for Hanninen. He already spent too much time on a s2000 facing medicre opposition.

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There's no need to be so negative. I think up to this point, the last couple of years have been great development for Juho. There are other fast guys around as well (Ketomaa, Tanak) but I think Juho is the more complete driver.

I agree he now needs to progress more but testing of the Polo WRC and a fullish WRC programme with a Fabia next year to continue to learn the events would do fine IMO. I'd rather see that than him end up in a customer Ford.

The problem is that these drivers who are considered fast (and they are) are used to drive against opposition which is inferior and they adapt their limits to them, so when they enter the big boys fight they usually cannot follow the leaders because their limits are not that high....see the times of Ketomaa when the top drivers actually began to drive properly and you will see that is easy to dominate in IRC PWRC ects but to be up there and fight with Loeb and Ogier is a different story.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

fight with Loeb and Ogier is a different story.

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For fight with them appropriate team needed, including money.

Currently there is problem with such teams.
Privately you cannot win from factory team, which now is Citroen.

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

For fight with them appropriate team needed, including money.

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it was a figure of speech....the problem is ketomaa was losing to peter solberg as well a 37 year old whos inalnd was never his favourite event...what i ment is that once you adapt yourself into beating lesser competition then when it is required to find that little extra it is very very hard.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

The problem is that these drivers who are considered fast (and they are) are used to drive against opposition which is inferior and they adapt their limits to them, so when they enter the big boys fight they usually cannot follow the leaders because their limits are not that high....see the times of Ketomaa when the top drivers actually began to drive properly and you will see that is easy to dominate in IRC PWRC ects but to be up there and fight with Loeb and Ogier is a different story.

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I see... they (Loeb and Ogier) were born uniquely developed with skills no one can match :ninja:

Everyone's goal is to keep up with the best one in the competition first.
Once there, this same person can set his own limit all next to follow.
As simple as that.
But NOT easily done.
And no one is irreplaceable but may just be unforgettable.

Loeb/Ogier and all the champions spent their learning years facing real competition and adapted their limits according to true champions (Even gronholm who came late into the wrc had outing in WRC events in WRC cars). Hanninen will spent most of his time trying to win against Has beens like loix, Never beens like Kopecky and other ladys cup competitors....He has to move into a wrc car very soon or he will end up being another talent with potential who never achieved anything.