The Ferrari thread !

Maybe Massa should have a nice long chat with his Brazilian compatriot Rubens. I understand they are close friends.

Well, it seems to be the whole book at them. Alonso is a good driver but he wont come cheap.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86003

I envisage Ferrari losing their constructors' points from the weekend, and Alonso getting away squeaky clean as he always seems to. If so, and he goes on to win the championship by a margin of fewer points than he gained in Germany, Ferrari won't care about the money. For them, buying a world championship will be just as good as winning one on merit.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

You do not have to enjoy making a decision for it to be an enlightened one.

This may come as a surprise to those who have never made an enlightened decision.

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I never make a decision without first turning on the light.....

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

I envisage Ferrari losing their constructors' points from the weekend, and Alonso getting away squeaky clean as he always seems to. If so, and he goes on to win the championship by a margin of fewer points than he gained in Germany, Ferrari won't care about the money. For them, buying a world championship will be just as good as winning one on merit.

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Smile when you say that Brockman. Somebody might actually take it seriously otherwise.

How the hell is this any different to McLaren trying to win the 2007 title by getting Williams disqualified in Brazil that year? Or how about lying to the stewards in Australia last year in an effort to get Trulli disqualified? It isn't, except for the fact that it isn't as dirty, and each and every team on the grid will do everything they can to secure a title so stop trying to make out like Ferrari are doing something the others wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by henners88

You're right, its no different at all to the second pointed highlighted. Its cheating pure and simple and its gaining an unfair advantage through breaching the regulations. I agree all teams will do anything to win, and Ferrari are not the only entity which have used underhand tactics. :)

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Well the days of catching people under the cars actually measuring the cars have gone.

"This time, good old Niki has missed out on a fine opportunity to keep his mouth shut, given that, when he was a Scuderia driver, the supposed Ferrari driver management policy suited him perfectly... That aside, where was all his moral fury when, over the past years, so many have been guilty of more or less overt hypocritical actions?"

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

"This time, good old Niki has missed out on a fine opportunity to keep his mouth shut, given that, when he was a Scuderia driver, the supposed Ferrari driver management policy suited him perfectly... That aside, where was all his moral fury when, over the past years, so many have been guilty of more or less overt hypocritical actions?"

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I really don't know what's wrong with this guy. Althouth Ferrari has remarkably contributed to this his fame and fortune every time he opens his mouth is often against Ferrari. I know all the Ferrari haters want to see Ferrari stopping being part of F1 alltogether. Unfortunately I dont see that happening in any near nor far future. Also, you cannot be the judge and jury of Ferrari's destiny. It's up to the FIA and if, IMO, the FIA is going to be harshly punishing Ferrari, this thing would inevitably end up in court and we all know what happens after that.

Despite your doomsday reaction about Ferrari's "horrible crime" you all know that everyone does it. What Ferrrari did is not the end of the world and on top of that there is no smoking gun. Oh, wait. You actually have one. You got a couple of statements that nail Ferrari to the "crime". Of course we are forgetting that those statements can be interpreted one way or an other. Massa said something about it and then, later on, he said the contrary. Which one is the true statement? I now your answer and you also know mine. Feel free interpreting those atements the way you find it more convenient but I find it a shame to see so many people pretending they already know the final verdict, including Lauda, of course. Thank God you are judges. If you were, I could already see the firing squad starting walking towards the Ferrari's garage. Thank God there is due process, otherwise the lynching mob would be all around the Red cars.

What McLaren did to Trulli is remarkably despicable. Ferrari did not do anything close to that. Ferrari's big fault is just that, to be Ferrari. The most prestigious team that F1 has ever had. And I love to see how short your comments are about the McLaren corrupt way of operating. Just a couple of lines, and quickly back at bashing Ferrari. I think the Ferrari bashers need to move on. The fact that the bashing is still continuing after so much time from the incident, shows a worrysome level of hatred (that includes certain press as well, of course).

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

I really don't know what's wrong with this guy. Althouth Ferrari has remarkably contributed to this his fame and fortune every time he opens his mouth is often against Ferrari. I know all the Ferrari haters want to see Ferrari stopping being part of F1 alltogether. Unfortunately I dont see that happening in any near nor far future. Also, you cannot be the judge and jury of Ferrari's destiny. It's up to the FIA and if, IMO, the FIA is going to be harshly punishing Ferrari, this thing would inevitably end up in court and we all know what happens after that.

Despite your doomsday reaction about Ferrari's "horrible crime" you all know that everyone does it. What Ferrrari did is not the end of the world and on top of that there is no smoking gun. Oh, wait. You actually have one. You got a couple of statements that nail Ferrari to the "crime". Of course we are forgetting that those statements can be interpreted one way or an other. Massa said something about it and then, later on, he said the contrary. Which one is the true statement? I now your answer and you also know mine. Feel free interpreting those atements the way you find it more convenient but I find it a shame to see so many people pretending they already know the final verdict, including Lauda, of course. Thank God you are judges. If you were, I could already see the firing squad starting walking towards the Ferrari's garage. Thank God there is due process, otherwise the lynching mob would be all around the Red cars.

What McLaren did to Trulli is remarkably despicable. Ferrari did not do anything close to that. Ferrari's big fault is just that, to be Ferrari. The most prestigious team that F1 has ever had. And I love to see how short your comments are about the McLaren corrupt way of operating. Just a couple of lines, and quickly back at bashing Ferrari. I think the Ferrari bashers need to move on. The fact that the bashing is still continuing after so much time from the incident, shows a worrysome level of hatred (that includes certain press as well, of course).

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I hope when you say "You", you mean someone else and not you as in Valve Bounce.

I try to be as even handed as possible on this issue, and bringing quotes to this forum is meant tabling something for open discussion and not something that can be intended in any other way. I certainly have no doomsday reaction to what Ferrari may or may not have said or done.

And having said that, I have absolutely no idea what McLaren did to Jarno Trulli.

I agree with the Whisperer on Lauda. Bitter old freak.