[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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Originally Posted by OldF

From the beginning of this year the max cylinder capacity for a R3T engine is 1620 cm³ (Does anyone know why). There’s no mention about the cylinder capacity in the R5 specific regulations but if it’s the same the stroke of a 1,8TFSI based engine could be 75,7 mm.


Hopefully the max cylinder capacity is defined in the R5 homologation regulations otherwise a manufacturer could try to homologate a 3000 cm³ engine and saying to FIA: “But there’s no mention of the cylinder capacity in the regulations.” :D

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I do not think the FIA will do this. Cylinder capacity for regulations has always been including multiplication factors. The Metro 6R4 tried to take advantage of this by using a naturally aspirated engine at the max of the cc limit but turbo technology surpassed them. I do not think a manufacturer will ever come with a 3000cc R5 car. The engine will be large and heavy and the turbos will always have an advantage on torque, launch control mapping, antilag etc.

So Spain looks like this.
I hope the shakedown/QS will be on Friday morning than!

Friday

SS1 Querol - 20.18
SS2 Montmell - 20.59
SS3 Riudecanyes 1 - 22.46

Saturday

SS4 Riudecanyes 2
SS5 El Priorat
SS6 Colledejou? 1
SS7 El Priorat
SS8 Colledejou? 2
SS9 SS Salou

Sunday

SS10 Gandesa
SS11 Pesells
SS12 Terra Alta
SS13 Gandesa
SS14 Pesells
SS15 Terra Alta

I believe it will :) . The press conference starts in about ten minutes.

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Originally Posted by jonlint

I do not think the FIA will do this. Cylinder capacity for regulations has always been including multiplication factors. The Metro 6R4 tried to take advantage of this by using a naturally aspirated engine at the max of the cc limit but turbo technology surpassed them. I do not think a manufacturer will ever come with a 3000cc R5 car. The engine will be large and heavy and the turbos will always have an advantage on torque, launch control mapping, antilag etc.

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This way of counting capacity is no longer used in group R regulations. Now every sub-type of gr.R car has explicitly given maximum cylinder capacity and the way of charging. So instead of the old turbo coefficients You have given particular sub-types like R3C (2000 ccm NA), R3D (2000 ccm TD), R3T (1600 ccm TP) plus restrictors, charger regulations etc.

The leader after two days of tarmac in Spain gets to choose his startposition for the gravel on Sunday first and so on!

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I hope the shakedown/QS will be on Friday morning than!

It's on Thursday afternoon actually

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Originally Posted by Kielder

He said they have no assurances from the FIA or from the promoter for 2014, but he doesn't think any rally has...

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IMHO, Mexico and France has the more difficulties at the moment.

Mexico is a standalone long-haul event, has many security problems (stones thrown from idiots, gate closed, etc.) and a double event Brazil-Argentina should be the final decision to keep them off the calendar.

France is losing Loeb this year, next year probably Citroen will move to WTCC and Mouton-Todt doesn't want anymore (like Promoter) events so close eachother. In fact, they're 150 km away from Germany and the Swedish solution, crossing border to Norway, should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Priorat

It's on Thursday afternoon actually

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I see :)
Probably skipping shakedown and flying friday morning than ;)

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Originally Posted by jonlint

I do not think the FIA will do this. Cylinder capacity for regulations has always been including multiplication factors. The Metro 6R4 tried to take advantage of this by using a naturally aspirated engine at the max of the cc limit but turbo technology surpassed them. I do not think a manufacturer will ever come with a 3000cc R5 car. The engine will be large and heavy and the turbos will always have an advantage on torque, launch control mapping, antilag etc.

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Originally Posted by OldF

Hopefully the max cylinder capacity is defined in the R5 homologation regulations otherwise a manufacturer could try to homologate a 3000 cm³ engine and saying to FIA: “But there’s no mention of the cylinder capacity in the regulations.” :D

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The second part of my post (above) was not meant to be taken seriously. ;)

The turbo coefficient was 1,4 until the end of 1987 and 1,7 from the beginning of 1988.

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Originally Posted by Motorsportfun

IMHO, Mexico and France has the more difficulties at the moment.

Mexico is a standalone long-haul event, has many security problems (stones thrown from idiots, gate closed, etc.) and a double event Brazil-Argentina should be the final decision to keep them off the calendar.

France is losing Loeb this year, next year probably Citroen will move to WTCC and Mouton-Todt doesn't want anymore (like Promoter) events so close eachother. In fact, they're 150 km away from Germany and the Swedish solution, crossing border to Norway, should be fine.

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The major problem of France is that ACM and FFSA are too stupid to join them together to do a great event together... in a World Rally Championship, that's incredible to see two events run in the same small country.
But by the way, France Rally in Alsace is sure for 2014.

I think an event with Germany is not a deal ... and FFSA for sure would like to have is own event. If Alsace is no more a long term deal, another region could be find.
Maybe Corsica, but I'm not sure they have the money to do this. When Alsace was launched, Bourgogne and Limousin had two serious project. Limousin has financial difficulty now so ... (only 2 events in the région this year !). But we'll see.