The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

At Ferrari at least, all the engines are not the same. They use certain engines for practice and certain engines depending on the track.

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Under the engine homologation rules, there will only be the most minor variations between units, caused by normal manufacturing tolerances. The days of a "qualifying special" or a souped-up scorcher for a home race are long gone.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Good luck to him, and I hope next season Felipe drives for a decent team. :)

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Ferrari have made Massa a career he otherwise would not have. They have stood by him always. Why would he feel they are not a decent team, given this?

Is there any need to flame-bait? What does it add?

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Massa has no class.

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I don't agree. Felipe is a gentleman.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Alonso is gaining strength in the team and is coming into his own at Ferrari.

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This, yes, it is correct.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

He is, and that's why for me it rankles so much that Ferrari clumsily fixed a race for him to win. I genuinely believe that in a straight fight he'd have passed Massa, and I'd like to believe that two men with such experience would not have collided in the process.

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I'm in total agreement, as a two-time world champ who, regardless as to being 'gifted' a win in singapore in 08, managed to show speed unexpected in a renault which was clearly not top of the pack he clearly has the talent needed to dice out the win without needing the team involved on the radio.

Would have been excellent to see him track down his team-mate and execute a clean pass on its own merits

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Originally Posted by Tumbo

Would have been excellent to see him track down his team-mate and execute a clean pass on its own merits

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But an unnecessary risk.

Thankfully, Felipe was magnanimous and made an enlightened decision.

Ferrari fans do not want to see scarlet cars colliding.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

But an unnecessary risk.

Thankfully, Felipe was magnanimous and made an enlightened decision.

Ferrari fans do not want to see scarlet cars colliding.

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Not only a risk in terms of collision , but also in terms of the relative speed of two cars fighting against the speed of a closing rival .
Cars defending always compromise the ideal line to keep a rival behind , slowing both , and the risk of this is certain , unlike the possibilty of the collision .

Felipe showed his loyalty in the end , but his tantrum surely was noticed by the tifosi , no ?

I do understand , though , that the fire displayed by a driver , to dare defy two previous suggestions , and need proof before moving aside for the team , can be desireable in the sense that he never wants to give up .
But , the honour of backing up a lead driver , for those who wind up with less points rarely seems to be brought far enough forward that the driver is satisfied .

To begrudgingly toe the line is different to doing it with dignity .
He needs to channel that fire .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Not only a risk in terms of collision , but also in terms of the relative speed of two cars fighting against the speed of a closing rival .
Cars defending always compromise the ideal line to keep a rival behind , slowing both , and the risk of this is certain , unlike the possibilty of the collision .

Felipe showed his loyalty in the end , but his tantrum surely was noticed by the tifosi , no ?

I do understand , though , that the fire displayed by a driver , to dare defy two previous suggestions , and need proof before moving aside for the team , can be desireable in the sense that he never wants to give up .
But , the honour of backing up a lead driver , for those who wind up with less points rarely seems to be brought far enough forward that the driver is satisfied .

To begrudgingly toe the line is different to doing it with dignity .
He needs to channel that fire .

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What niggles the most, is Alonso complains vehemently in Valencia about race manipulation, but is more than happy to accept a gifted win, orchestrated by his team manipulating the positions and end result.

Good luck to him if he is happy with that. Not a fair fight, and the win is not deserved in my opinion.

You do not have to enjoy making a decision for it to be an enlightened one.

This may come as a surprise to those who have never made an enlightened decision.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Flame baiting is only recognised when one does not agree with the opinion it seems. We'll gloss over the inflammatory and provocative post I originally quoted and move swiftly along. :)

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I disagreed with the post you refer to, at least to that which was provocative. I stated this in my response to it.

Two wrongs do not make a right, whatever provoked you.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

What niggles the most, is Alonso complains vehemently in Valencia about race manipulation, but is more than happy to accept a gifted win, orchestrated by his team manipulating the positions and end result.

Good luck to him if he is happy with that. Not a fair fight, and the win is not deserved in my opinion.

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Apparently to some drivers, a gifted win is still a win. At least they didn't make Massa spin on purpose to give Alonso the win. I'm sure he would have just as gladly accepted the position he didn't earn on track regardless of how they gave it to him.