Petter Solberg WRT

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

reckless killer of 3 Colin "Crash" McRae. (may he rot in hell for killing his son, the other kid and his neighbor showing off and hotdogging)

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do you have information that was colin to blame for the accident ?? i never heard anything about the causes....But again thats a low blow.

as for alpha its not the age that matters but the ability to win for someones reason to retire...and its a long way to the end of the championship to make conclusions about solberg...i mean what if he crashes or underperforms in the next events ? you can never be sure about rallying at this level. after all he is second with both hirvonen and latvala having some major problems so i think speedwise he is not faster than them and probably a bit slower than sordo and ogier as well....especially on gravel where its all about tactics....but as i said he is doing far better than expected but still all questions haven;t been answered yet after just 4 rounds and with the tarmac rallies still ahead.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

That can be said about lots of drivers... Loeb is 36, holy ****, why didn't anyone kick him out years ago?! Spend money on the 18-24 year olds!

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Loeb is payed by Citroen, but its only an opinion, maybe it is best for norwegian rally to continiue sponsoring petter, at the same time the new possible future drivers struggle.

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Originally Posted by Jake Stephens

I would say that you are a sad individual for saying that about Colin, his family and friends but you just want to provoke people. Shameful comment.

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No, the initial reports were confirmed by the offcial inquiry which in the typical British way of extreme understatement said that he was doing arobatics and aggressive maneuvering at low altitude, and in "deteriorating weather" conditions and that further he was not qualified in that specific helicopter and that there was nothing indicating any mechanical fault.
Just like he crashed countless times in rally cars---and always ready to blame the engineers, mechanics and his co-drivers, the crash which killed his son, his neighbor and the other kid was his doing.

I've driven a few miles on stages, and spent 20 years crashing my moto-cross bike on 4 continents and a dozen countries---in fact in the last year I've had 2 operations on my spine and 5 weeks ago got a new knee to replace the one ripped up over ther years, I take responibilty for what i did on my bike and in my rally car, and my co-drivers understand we can flip and there are risks.

Hotdogging in a helicopter is risky, and the proof that he was out of control is as simple as looking at the charred pile of burnt wreckage that was left---(in other words, the helicopter did not crash itself).
It was a tragedy but a completely unnecessary tragedy.

Suggesting otherwise from some idol worship is to spit on the graves of 2 young children and his neighbor---does your silly idealization go that far?
You ignoring their pointless deaths is worse than sad, its disgusting, and when it's done from some fan-boy sentim,ents it is atrocious.

The POINT is that Colin, when he priced himself out of the range anybody would pay for his services, and burned every bridge behind him, parked his butt and quit, and Petter has not.

Petter's "Hollywood" schtick is not to my taste, but I admire his determination, he's out there doing damn good while Atko pouts and pisses away critical years.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

The small off Petter had on sunday could just as well have been Loebs small off and then Petter would be on top. Setting the times and results he does with the amount of cash behind him is incredible and as far as I am concerned a much bigger achievement than Loebs first places.




That can be said about lots of drivers... Loeb is 36, holy ****, why didn't anyone kick him out years ago?! Spend money on the 18-24 year olds!


As for janvanvurpa - I couldn't be bothered to check the context, just browsed quickly through the last pages, sorry if I didn't catch your sarcasm.

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That's OK, tone of voice doesn't carry too well. I just wanted to set the record straight that I think the obvious rather newish trend of putting 18-20 year olds in WRC cars and waiting for them to maybe learn their craft like Latvala, Hirvonen, Wilson etc is something we hadn't seen in decades past.
It seemed presumed that it takes some X number of years to accumulate routine, and experience and just plain seat-time and it didn't seem to be some detriment if a driver was 28 or 35, if he made results.

Now it seems as important that he is pretty, and young and "photogenic", and of course if he can bring truckloads of bundled up bank notes, then he can be an instant M2 driver.

It seems a farce.

I agree, it's parts of whats wrong with the WRC the latest years. An excellent driver like P. Solberg had to pay for his own team and car? That's just plain crazy.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

... specifically the much overrated rich boy Atkinson and the reckless killer of 3 Colin "Crash" McRae. (may he rot in hell for killing his son, the other kid and his neighbor showing off and hotdogging)

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Wow! That's a bit harsh. So much for RIP.

It was a tragedy for the families involved, showing off or not, I don't believe that kind of statement is necessary.
You don't know who reads this forum, possibly McRae family members.
Take it easy.

Seems like this forum is an outlet of stored up anger sometimes.

As for the PSWRT, bloody fantastic stuff. Full credit to anyone who can put together their own team like that, and get podiums to boot. A+ effort.

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Originally Posted by Maui J.

Wow! That's a bit harsh. So much for RIP.

It was a tragedy for the families involved, showing off or not, I don't believe that kind of statement is necessary.
You don't know who reads this forum, possibly McRae family members.
Take it easy.

Seems like this forum is an outlet of stored up anger sometimes.

As for the PSWRT, bloody fantastic stuff. Full credit to anyone who can put together their own team like that, and get podiums to boot. A+ effort.

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Death of children is harsher than anything I can say.
I have had friends killed and maimed in motosport and it is bad for everybody but it was at their own hands doing things they knew was potentially very risky.
I have also had friends and close acquaintances killed by the recklessness of others and that is not something I accept with a shrug...

And, it is not anger, rather a cold hard feeling.

Maybe it's because I now have lovely beautiful children that his killing a couple of kids makes me speak so.

Whatever the case what's done is done and the REAL point, which was clear is how even though he famously said "I'd do this for nothin" when he could get a ride, he turned his back and played with a insane wicked spec Escort and a 6R4.

Like most i was fed up with Petters constant complaining about the wretchedness of the works Subarus and while I understand loyalty both personal and professional, it must have been unbearable and make him a little crazy to know in his heart he KNOWS HOW TO go like satans fan but the car was so bad.

I wonder if he's kicking himself knowing how much time he lost being loyal.

Lycka till i framtiden is all I can say.

Turkey imo was the first rally that showed Solberg can actually even think about defeating Loeb. 16 seconds behind him going into final day, when Loeb is expected to loose because of sweeping is certainly not a bad position... then rain and canceled stages came. Still the best starting point anyone had against Loeb on final day on gravel this year.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

...its a long way to the end of the championship to make conclusions about solberg...i mean what if he crashes or underperforms in the next events ? you can never be sure about rallying at this level. after all he is second with both hirvonen and latvala having some major problems so i think speedwise he is not faster than them and probably a bit slower than sordo and ogier as well....especially on gravel where its all about tactics....but as i said he is doing far better than expected but still all questions haven;t been answered yet after just 4 rounds and with the tarmac rallies still ahead.

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Yes Petter is "only" second close to Hirvonen and Latvala who had problems, what about Sweden then? I kinda noticed Petter had quite a few problems as well, like 2 crashes.

"Speedwise he's not faster"
- against Hirvonen he has been ahead of him at every rally, even those where Mikko crashed
- against Latvala he was ahead in Mexico and Turkey, same pace in Jordan
- against Sordo - ahead of him at every rally, beating him on final day in Jordan and Turkey
- against Ogier - beating him from worse road position in Mexico, about same in Jordan, in Turkey Ogier got puncture just as Solberg was about to overtake him

Let's look at stage wins, which kinda should say something about speed no?

Loeb - 31
Solberg - 17
Ogier - 12
Latvala - 10
Hirvonen - 9
Sordo - 3

Everyone there except Loeb and Ogier had at least one rally where they had trouble. Solberg - Sweden, Latvala - Mexico, Hirvonen - Mexico+Jordan, Sordo - Mexico

Tarmac rallies, hard to say yes, only comparison is Spain last year, Solberg in first rally in C4 was 4th comfortably ahead of Ogier and Latvala. He has never been one of the fastest on tarmac, this year with new car I expect him between 3-5th (ahead of Latvala, fighting with Hirvonen and Ogier).

That you "think" Solberg is speedwise the slowest of them all is no surprise and nobody can take that from you, doesn't change the results though.

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Originally Posted by Tomi

Loeb is payed by Citroen, but its only an opinion, maybe it is best for norwegian rally to continiue sponsoring petter, at the same time the new possible future drivers struggle.

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Yes but sponsors aren't in it for the sake of driver development are they? They want to get the best return on their investment possible and that is more likely to come with Petter. I would guess that they are pretty happy with the return they have had so far this year.

The better scenario would be that Petter would be in a paid factory seat then the Norwegian sponsors could then support the up-coming drivers.