The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by henners88

Its not just about what was said my friend. Its about analysing the whole situation and series of events. If I walk up to you with 4 days worth of beard growth and tell you that I am a woman and then wink as I say it, what does that suggest? I'm either pulling your leg or you're going to have to pull my pants off to prove that I'm lying or take my word for it with a head full of doubts.. Body language.. ;)

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What you say is that I need to provide the proof that you are a man, yes? Or be in doubt?

I agree with this.

But I cannot provide the proof, so you may be a woman.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out then.

In the blue corner you've got the race stewards, the FIA, millions of fans, and the wording of the regulations.

In the red corner you've got Alonso, Ferrari's senior management, and a handful of dyed-in-the-wool fans who can't comprehend that their beloved team is capable of doing anything wrong.

September 10th will be mighty interesting, that's for certain :D

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The wording of the regulations are not on your side.

Well as I say let's wait and see. Any pretence that this is a meaningful debate evaporated many pages ago, and I have no desire to get into an argument.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

...It surprises me more people are not realistic to this, or to what the implication to FIA of a court case brought against them for decision made with no firm evidence would do.

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The FIA is the law where F1 is concerned, until a participant decides to go outside of the sport. Are you suggesting that Ferrari may resort to this option? The absence of an appeal, and acceptance of the penalty, suggests they will not. That also suggests that it is unlikely that the WMSC will overturn one or both of the charges against Ferrari.

It may be your opinion that there was no firm evidence, but in the view of those who matter there was sufficient evidence, but as Dave says let's wait and see what the WMSC have to say.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

...and a handful of dyed-in-the-wool fans who can't comprehend that their beloved team is capable of doing anything wrong.

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I never said Ferrari cannot do anything wrong, I've just said that what Ferrari did was not different from what other teams did... even this year.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The FIA is the law where F1 is concerned, until a participant decides to go outside of the sport. Are you suggesting that Ferrari may resort to this option?

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Yes.

This is, for me, precisely why the Scuderia did not appeal to the stewards. They wait for the WMSC to realise the implication of a verdict based on supposition only.

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Originally Posted by wmcot

You mean like looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? No proof was ever found there either despite many nations assuming they were there.

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Please don't insult our intelligence.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I hope you are right. Massa deserves alot better.

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Massa has never been mistreated by Ferrari. It was obvious after 25 laps or so that Alonso was quicker and being held up.

Everytime Alonso tried to go by the door was closed in no uncertain terms by Massa.

Alonso radioed to his pit that it was "ridiculous", and why? Because he refrained from getting into a tangle. Alonso did not want to end up colliding with Massa.

Nobody he stopped Massa - he has just not kept up with Alonso - as expected.

And he will not keep pace with Kubica either.

My post referred to his apparent indignation and self-pity and sulking that if he so upset - well then, he is free to leave Ferrari - IMMEDIATELY. Clearly the act that Massa put on was one out of petulance because to date, Massa will be racing in Hungary in a Ferrari on Sunday.

What Massa says and what Massa does is obviously not the same. Its time for Luca to inform Massa that being a legend in his own mind and reality is not the same thing.

WMSC is a kangaroo court and should they rule severely against Ferrari, then as did Briatore, justice should be sought in the French courts.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

In the red corner you've got Alonso, Ferrari's senior management, and a handful of dyed-in-the-wool fans who can't comprehend that their beloved team is capable of doing anything wrong.

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You forgot to mention a lot of corporate sponsors with billions invested in the team! Money is a magnet in the balance scales of F1 "justice."