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50 Rally 3 Fiestas ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile...rico-brazzoli/Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Well, I would count 56y old Monte entry as veteran ;)
Where are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Good be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars/15...fiesta-rally3/Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I was surprised too. I guess quite a few of those from N°33 to 49 have been sold for the upcoming season already, so many of those cars will probably not be seen before March / April. And probably quite a few reserved for JWRC as well.
I know two more to Ford Turkey (they allready have 2).
Heard 12/15 WRC3 Junior.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
6-8 cars to RalliSM Finland. Which is more than I was expecting. Both: "fast young" and "gentleman" type of drivers. Some are going down from R5 but most up from Rally4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Wow! With all those numbers it seems that this Rally3 concept starts to work, doesn't it?
It was lacking in power a bit but with the new restricor and 240-260hp its clearly faster than gr N Lancers and Imprezas
Driving in national series, using a Rally3 is smart both with regard to budget, and sport, if many chooses to go for Rally3.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
In buying a new car you save aprox 60% going for rally3 vs rally2.
Running budget for a season is also less than 50% of a Rally2 budget, also looking at rental prices.
That is why both youngsters and gentleman drivers are swapping to Rally3. It is still a top notch factory build rally car, that most national level drivers will have a lot of fun with!
This is especially correct if your series mostly consist of gravel and snow, where 4wd is most impotant.
Lets wait. Until now Rally3 was not faster than Rally4 (but still more expensive). We will see what will happen with bigger restrictor/more power (in terms of speed, but also in terms of running costs and reliability).
Really? On tarmac maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I don't know where do you live or which chapionship so you follow but as far as I have seen this season rally4 was only faster on some mega smooth tarmac stages, and even then there was no real comparison as the rally3 were driven by non top drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
In Poland we had 2 mega fast guys in rally4's and they could not match the speed of rally3 on any tarmac rally.
Ok, maybe I was too much critical. But difference between Rally3 and Rally4 was not so much. Rally3 has no chance to fight with R5 cars (only with gentleman drivers), so usually it was its own battle between few Rally3 cars and maybe group N and R4 cars. And if there was good driver in Rally4, also with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
But that’s because it’s a new class. Give it some years, more cars turning up and it’s a great classQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Is it really that much? I thought it was only up to ~235hp?Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
It has never been meant to fight with R5/Rally2. It is meant to fill the role GrN used to have, even if it is more expensive. But it will be faster than any old GrN or GrA car, mostly due to develpment of the suspension and corner driveability due to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
And it is in its first real year, the only thing changed on the Fiesta is 1 mm restrictor increase.
It will get faster year by year, as R5s has been.
But for drivers paying for most of the fun themselves, it is a good option.
In some countries, with few Rally2 drivers, it might even become top class to concentrate on one class to get the best competition, for both drivers and fans.
We had 2 fiestas on a rallyspirint 2 weeks ago with the new restrictors and one driver said the car was tuned on a rolling road and claimed 260hp.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
You have to remember that in ralling it's allways more than the manufacturer claims ;)
Show a good example of what you said. Of course a great driver in Rally4 do it better than one average in Rally3. Same with Rally2/WRC. See Mikkelsen vs Serderidis for example. The little rallies we saw of Rally3… it is faster than Rally4 (and some Rally2).Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
On relatively clean tarmac Rally4 was faster than Rally3, that's why they increased restrictor size for 4wd one
4 Rally3 allready on entries of Arctic Rally.
And I think we will see more Rally3 cars in Finland.
Printsport looks to have bought at least 2 more cars in addition to the one they had. But some could also be some missing registration on the Rally3`s in Finland.
Will be cool to see the differences in time btw Rally2, 3 and 4 on a winterrally!
If the Rally3`s do well, it might tip drivers sitting on the fence, into a Rally3 car both in Sweden and Norway.
Finland doesn't have an overall championship, instead there's five sub-championships where SM3 is only for Rally3 cars so I think the local ASN has expected lots of these cars when they have given them their own championship. N5, Rally2Kit and Group N cars will form SM2, but it will be interesting to see how the Rally3 cars compete against them. In my opinion they could have been in the same class as well. Maybe it's a way of motivating young drivers to buy a Rally3 car instead of a Mitsubishi?
Smart of the finns, giving the new class a cup to fight for.
Up here we have adopted a version of the swedish system.
4 classes that will give a Norwegian Champion each.
International 2wd and 4wd, for cars still holding a FIA homologation.
Narional 2wd and 4wd for cars that no longer hold a FIA homologation.
So for Rally3 here, they have their own class, class 3. But they have to fight Rally2 on the cups and medals.
We used to have more classes that gave you a championship in the historybooks. But they had to simplify for TV, so they ended up with 4.
+ 1 Estonian driver in Class14, I don't know why he didn't enter to SM3 like other 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
so totally 5 Rally3 cars to Arctic.
Maybe cause he is a newcomer?
Or maybe cheaper entry fee for not driving for championship points?
Still no development from Toyota or Renault?
Not publically no. But it will be soon for 1 new manufacturer
Good, is that manu one of the omes mentioned in the post by m5?Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
I expect RenaultQuote:
Originally Posted by M5
Rally3 Fiestas are doing very well in Arctic rally! 11th, 12 and 13th after day1.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...nd-rally-2022/
This More or less confirming that both Renault and Toyota are working on Rally3 projects, also more manufacturers according to boss of Renault Sport.
https://www.rallyeslalom.com/renault...mqSiZquK-irh9A
So if we are lucky we might see 3 different cars in ERC and WRC, collecting data for 2023.
Three manufacturers were confirmed from beginning, other were thinking about it...
Ford Fiesta Rally3 for Hubert Laskowski. He is only 16 years old, but already has experience with Peugeot 208 R2 and Peugeot 208 Rally4. Because he is so young he will probably only drive in Baltic countries, where it is allowed to compete in rallying at such age.
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https://pl.motorsport.com/rajdy/news...ally3/7878182/
My spanish is not very good, but I am guessing that someone says Clio Rally3 to be homologated 1 march 23;
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Who is Markel?
Quick research shows that Markel De Zabaleta works at Dacia and Renault Espana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://es.linkedin.com/in/markel-de-zabaleta-9760319a
and he is also an occasional rally driver?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile...l-de-zabaleta/