Mahonen also said that the roads will be graded after recce and new gravel will be put on top.
Whatever, I'm heading off to Munich tomorrow morning to get my flight to Stockholm.
It's rally time :D
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Mahonen also said that the roads will be graded after recce and new gravel will be put on top.
Whatever, I'm heading off to Munich tomorrow morning to get my flight to Stockholm.
It's rally time :D
From the experiences from the first Winter rallies both in Norway and Sweden, it seems that the Pirellis struggle more with keeping the studs, but this is no scientific study, just built up on this years experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If this is the case I think Pirelli may have gone a little too soft in their rubber (if combined With 8mm stud protruding and gravel/warm weather), and that is why this happens.
The softness of the rubber and the studding method (overmoulding), vs stiffer rubber and gluing will be a factor, one way or the other. This will ad another spectacle to Rally Sweden.
A pic of one of the recce'd stages:
http://www.vf.se/sites/vf.se/files/i...%201%20Hak.jpg
Me thinks someone had a little chat with Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I will be very pleasantly surprised if this dont end in a canselation...Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
watching this, I'm thinking for this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h92j_xKy_Uc., http://www.autofacil.es/carreras/201...tor/24499.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Still there is snow there....
Well I think it looks more like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X-ASoZ_4rgQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If those ruts freeze like this, It will be quite challenging, to say it nice:)Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Do you think cancellation is a good option? So much money (millions) has been put into organizing the event, sponsors want return. If they're cancelling this year it likely means the end for Rally Sweden in WRC, so they can as well just try and see what the damage will be after the rally. The only stage I still see being cancelled at this point is Torsby 2... Anyway we'll see, tomorrow I'm flying to Sweden, hoping for some special WRC action. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Been a while since I've been to a rally, still 2min between WRC2 as well?
Of course Ogier want's it cacelled, worst rally for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
These current drivers have the thought that rallying is a flat out sprint in near ideal conditions. Ok, if they loose studs because of som gravel, how is that more dangerous that slicks on ice in Monte? Just drive slower...
And if they indeed snooth and water the stages and there is constant ice, no problem.
It is too late to cancel the rally...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Example of start list to Rallye Monte Carlo - http://rally-base.com/2016/rallye-mo...TimeTypeId=628Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Ogier wants to cancell the rally, because usually we is not so good under umpredictable conditions. For him the unkonwn is a strange thing, and this swedish rally as a lot of unknown forward.
It would, but as I and others have pointed out already, the organizers will grade the stages that were recceied today and then put some fresh gravel on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
There are no gravel crews here.... But I agree with Your point, this is just rally, not circuit racing...Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Yes. In Monte on some stages only one but it was asphalt there...Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
On last Wales there were also one minute gaps between WRC2 crews...Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
It is usually 1 min between WRC 2 why the confusion?
Sorry, who won last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Why do you not know the rules in here ??????????????? Stages can be cancelled up to 75% 50% and even 25% according to FIA rules.......... I will tell you what will happen for WRC Sweden! Friday stages will go on because they are ''ok'' and safe... After that Rally will be cancelled because of ''dangerous conditions''... I am not going to discuss ''conditions'' with you! I am not an organizer and I do not know how much Rally Sweden has to pay the Swedish Road Governesses for clearing up/fix the roads after the rally!!!!!!!!... BUT, saying Friday OK, this will give the organizer some revenue on Friday + 25% go for WRC FIA regulation!!........ and they can clear covering the roads on Saturday and Sunday! which gives the organizers room to go clear of bankruptcy!!!!! In my opinion, switch Monte Carlo and Sweden........... or give Sweden always the final weekend in February..... Look at the climate statistics, always 50/50 mid Feb.... but never end of January or final weekend of February!!!! Just saying........ Coming from me who has driven Rally in winter Norway for 6 years!!!!!!!!!!!
AND for all of you wondering about studs / gravel tires ??? Only studs ar FIA allowed on the only ''snow'' Rally which is WRC Sweden.......... JEEEEEESUS..... This has been in the news everywhere, stop asking and discussing!!!!!
Please follow and read posts. It is not that hard to get info on your questions regarding everything about a Rally!
But, when they decide to cancel Friday, WRC points will also be awarded to the 100-75-50-25 % ruling.............. So no full WRC points when less then 11 stages are driven......... Look it up in the appendix of the FIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
God damn.... Why can't people look up rules and regulations before posting here..............?????????????????? ALWAYS THE SAME SHIT.
PEOPLE, RALLY SWEDEN WILL BE CANCELLED AFTER FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all, Jesus has got nothing to do with it. Secondly, interesting 10th post, parvenu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luijbregts
Now snow on Friday, that would be peeeeeeeerfect :)
http://abload.de/img/unbenanntmxjj5.png
Seb? You? Pressure is terrible thing. last forecast predicts light snowfall for norwegian stages starting from around 8AM, good luck! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Luijbregts
It was 2min between all WRC1/2 cars in Finland last year, took forever to watch a stage. Need it to time my stage hopping ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Startlist will be out soon hopefully.
Värmullsåsen has been graded
https://twitter.com/Falkens76/status/697559778437042180
According Toni Gardemeister last night:
"it's now minus degrees of celsius and rally will surely be driven. All friday stages are good icy road and rest of stages are frozen gravel roads."
Also here is Hagfors area forecast now:
http://www.foreca.com/meteogram.php?...=metric&tf=24h
Latvala :
A special rule makes the Swedish rally in risk game: "How rims tires remain there?"
https://translate.google.fi/translat...-text=&act=url
extra set of tyres allowed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca6FyrGXIAAe5Mz.jpg:large
Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
According to Bulletin 4, all P1 drivers with 3 minutes start interval on Day 2.
http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-conten...tin-no-4-1.pdf
Time to leave for SS Röjden 1&2, Vargåsen 1&2 and Lesjöfors. Maybe we will meet in the forests of Värmland? :)
I agree with You. As things look now friday will run as normal, and the rally will probably cancelled, or at least heavily shortened on saturday and sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luijbregts
Also agree on the dates. Weather statistics should be made to find the optimum week. Earlier in january there was both snow and cold in the same region.
And one should look at developing a "plan B" regarding the stages, and where the majority of the stages should take place. How far north, and how high can You place them.
If one takes this year as a "worst case" scenario, one should look around now to see with areas it still is cold and snow, and look for potential stages. The Swedish Rally used to also run in the area around Falun, and there its both snow and minus degrees right now (but this also depends on local economic backing).
But i guess the organisers are already thinking of all these things.
The Swedish rally is a great spectacle, and its a pity to see it in this condition. But the weather is a poor mistress.
Then in previous years there have not been any snow in January but "plenty" during the rally. February is also normally the coldest month during the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Vargasen stage region just had some snowfall:) so, most of the stage should look like white now:)
I do not see why it should be cancelled? Liepaja has been run in much worse conditions in many years, noone complained, everything worked fine. Winterrally should be like winter, when it is with minimal snow, then it is like that. They should drive as the road allows.
I was maybe a bit harsh in my words :-) Sorry for that! BUT..... Don't compare this rally to other rally's outside of Sweden. There are certain issues with road fixing which the organizers do not get covered in Sweden. If the rally is run in these conditions the organizers are looking at €100k repairs. Not on friday but the rest of the weekend, this is money they do not have. For the roads to be optimum you need around 20cm +++ ice in the ground. With approx -20 you get a cm a day. Temperatures at this moment will not do at the moment and that is why I fear that they will run friday to get at least 1 day revenue and cancel the rest. WRC points will then only be 25% of a normal completed WRC Rally. But at least there will be a result. Weather stats clearly show January in favour and swapping with Monte should not be a calender problem, the problem is money. Monte Carlo has a big stake in their own timing for commercial purposes and Sweden does not have this investment. Anyhow, as Ogier quoted, I love Rally Sweden and hope it will go on but I am afraid the organization will take the high road and nobody can blame them! The weather is to blame unfortunately. And again, snow is not the problem, the ice in the ground is.
Conditions looks better today. Roads have frozen over night and since it will continue to be cold I think we'll be allright with the planned stages,
As I wrote, one should get the statistics. Bluuford should be hired for this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
If the frost doesn't go down in the ground, the top layer will be spun away, leaving the tires to go full attack on the soft soil beneath. This will mean huge damage to the roads, and a huge cost to fix them afterwards. A cost Rally Sweden can't really bear, and a lot of grim road owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Little snow will also mean more cutting, which also is very damaging for the road.
We will wait and see, I off course hope both the saturday and sunday going as planned. And also this year being down to a freak accident of bad luck weaterwise. :)
February it is, the coldest month. The rally is exactly at the right time. But you know, statistics is average, but you rarely have average condititions. Most of Estonia and this part of Sweden has two patterns of wetaher in winter. It is really cold (high pressure area) and some snow just before it gets cold or it is warm and rainy (cyclones from ocean). Average weather (statistical average temperatures) is actually not common at all :) Climatologists have been thinking that weather depndent events should be somehow flexible.. so you should be able to shift these events couple of days back and forth, usually it is enough :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Gee, breathe. It will do you some good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luijbregts
Also switching Monte and Sweden won't help one bit. Many years January has been snow free just like February is now. There is no way to predict these things and statistically February is the most wintery month.