Νeuville incar crash
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Νeuville incar crash
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What I think about this incident? When I have seen some movies and pictures from Poland, I am surprised that there was only one similar incident...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquagen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxEtmmte33M
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but how were so many people allowed to stand in such a dangerous place, and so close to the stage. I'm sure you'll know which spot I mean!
It's not that dangerous I think...straight road with trees besides it. Nobody is going to jump a few meters of the line there. Don't have a good view of how they are standing after the landing part though.
Strange approach from organizers I must admit - total closure of roads as tool to control spectators, but when you are in - do (stay) whatever you want to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
yeah, the crowd absolutely loving it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
two more angles of this jump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpX1OkfmN3I
What if wrong notes? What if technical damage? What if... Would you allow your daughter to stand there? :) I am not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Of course it's absolutely stunning when you are standing on the top of the jump and see cars flying away in distance of hand (last year Poland experience). But it in same time I didn't feel very comfortable because of "what if..."
I was at this spot, it was incredible (Tanak especially)! But I was seriously worried about people standing after landing zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
There were not enough marshalls, and frankly at that spot, they didn't give a shit.
which SS is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by thuGG
If I remember correctly (my friend was "the organizer" of our group) it was OS 16 - Swietajno.
At about 1:35 Abbring lands and it looks pretty close to disaster! For years we have been told in programmes, on tickets, by marshals etc, don't stand anywhere after a jump. On the approach the spectators are far too close as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Sorry, but if the FIA are serious about safety then they need to review videos from that spot, because if a car had gone off it would have been absolutely tragic. I like to stand in a thrilling place myself, but that just looks like there is no control whatsoever. Looks like an event from the '80s!
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Originally Posted by Doon
The early/mid 80s:eek:
Is it a coincidence that all the places where speccies are all seemingly willing to die are all Catholic countries?
Back from one of the most spectacular events I've seen so far, but also one of the worst organized. It's very difficult to get access to the stages, but once you are on them, nobody cares about what anyone is doing. Most marshalls are like 18-20 year old students who have no authority at all, one of them told me he had never seen a rally before...
I was at the jump that's discussed here. We did recce of the stage and thought that this would be completely mad, and it was... On the first run I arrived a bit late and it was almost impossible to get a good and safe spot. For the first cars I was somewhere before the landing, but so many people with phones, selfie-sticks and gopro cameras ruin your view/photo completely. Then moved to the complete end of the row behind all spectators and the marshalls so there was nobody in my way if I had to jump away. I left after Kubica because it was too crazy for me as some other people started standing behind me. It's a shame when you find a great spot but have to leave if you don't want to get killed... On the run back we saw the crash of Abbring, it's a real miracle that no spectators were hit. On the 2nd loop we returned and took a spot before the jump. Also the security behind it was better (not perfect, but better). What you get to see there is unimaginable (but only for a few drivers, that needs to be said too).
Security is a major problem not only on this place. Sometimes on some places it's extremely strict, on other place there's no safety at all. On shakedown a large group of spectators decided to ignore the forbidden areas after the 0-car had passed, marshalls were clueless.
With some good planning we got to see relatively calm places which were always very impressive! For somebody who loves fast corners this is the best event you can imagine. It's quite similar to Finland but much more open and with less crests, so there are better/longer views. When you do recce on these stages it's very hard to imagine how the approach will be, because it's almost straight when you drive it at normal/slow speed with a normal car. Seeing WRC drivers come towards a corner at (almost) top speed, then quickly touch the brakes and pull the steering wheel in order to put the car in position (completely sideways), already something like 40 or more meters before a long corner... It's crazy. It's unbelievable how drivers can go this much on the limit on new stages after only 2x recce, without crashing...
Few photos, more will follow later.
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Jaanus Ree photos http://jree.ee/gallery/rally-poland/
Sorry for the off topic: the censorship activity in the forum has began today or has been around and I've didn't notice before??? :-)
The organizers could have made it easier for the spectators standing further from the road by cutting down some of the very tall grass lining the stages, not sure if i would do this rally myself because i would have to take too much risk finding good video spots. They are very good at this in Finland.
Another point of view...
http://s5.postimg.org/9rj1njy2v/TNp.jpg
Hahahaha made my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
Yeah, that's a good one :)
I also liked that joke that Thierry should be disqualified because there are 2 Belgians and a Pole in his car ;)
check the photographer on the other side of the road where Tänak is landing, he has a second life now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zhxtJzEdg8
some compasions of Ogier and Tänak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwZ-KeQWHQ
Never thought of it in those terms. Interesting situation :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
nice rear end!
Funny everyone is criticising the spectators... but everyone is also watching and getting thrills from their videos & photos...
The pretty Lavadinho photos with the flowers didn't get quite the same reaction ! ;)
I said exactly this at the time - exactly like watching the Group B era back in the day, with a massive amount of fans by the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
Bit crazy in Poland, but no-one got hurt.
Do I think there was a lack of control with regard spectators safety? Yes. Would I have liked to have been there? Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Its more about the FIA banging on about spectator safety, us attending events only to be penned in 50m away from the action........and then we see this. It makes you think; the FIA cant control ever km of the stage, and ultimately there will be accidents, and events will be canned on the basis that youtube videos like these have been able to be made.
borl the rally
https://youtu.be/NzyhB_bqbQI
A very good video of Rally Poland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRBqBTgtpfA
Or! they could just hire the guy at 0.28 sec :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRBqBTgtpfA
A few of the "flower" photos were super imposed.... meaning someone added the flowers to the photos!!!
Some photographers not happy...
I would suggest this guy on the left instead :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZMU2kTpN1M
thats for grass,but the real problem is the trees.I have the ultimate solution to solve the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u17ll043Ld8