Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

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29th May 2011, 18:03
tfp

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Originally Posted by kobefly

God bless Loeb, will never get bored to see him on a WRC.

:p

Am I the only one thats bored of him winning?
29th May 2011, 18:05
uranium

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Originally Posted by tfp

:p

Am I the only one thats bored of him winning?

+1
29th May 2011, 18:06
kobefly

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Originally Posted by tfp

:p

Am I the only one thats bored of him winning?

I am not his biggest fan but I cannot stop admiring him. Ogier seemed to be a threat for him Loeb at the beginning of the season but the big master has the other Seb already dominated. He is amazing.
29th May 2011, 18:07
dimviii

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Originally Posted by wrc1600

He already has shown, since he started he finished 4 out 5 times in top 3. But I think he should retired as well as everyone else apart from Ogier nad Latvala according to your logic.

Dont try to put words in my mouth...i didn t said that Mikko has to retire.
I just answered to you about your logic '' second in championship''
Second in championship is not saying alll the truth if you trying to see under the bonnet...
Argentina was a rally where Mikko haven t got a mechanical problem,and he didn t manage to gain a single win ss.Everybody else gained except Mikko.
29th May 2011, 18:08
dimviii

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

+1

+10000000000
29th May 2011, 18:12
jonas_mcrae

The future of the sport is: Give Loeb a 1min penalty at the start of every rally, that should make things interesting
29th May 2011, 18:14
uranium

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Originally Posted by dimviii

The difference with Gronholm/Solberg to Mikko is that in their days they weren t loosers in stages/championships.

How you determined that?

As for Loeb. Yes, he is very good driver. But we must say, it is Loeb/Citroen champions together. Somethink like Schumacher/Ferrari. Where is Schumacher now?
Got the idea?

P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...
29th May 2011, 18:20
Wim_Impreza

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Originally Posted by HarriK

I agree- remember that this is WORLD rally serie. How many top drivers are there. If you are in top 5 I think that you are pretty fast!

So you think that Matthew Wilson is pretty fast as he was more than once in the top 5 this year too?
29th May 2011, 18:24
dimviii

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

How you determined that?

As for Loeb. Yes, he is very good driver. But we must say, it is Loeb/Citroen champions together. Somethink like Schumacher/Ferrari. Where is Schumacher now?
Got the idea?...

You would be right if Loeb had changed team and couldn t manage wins.Till now it just speculation.

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...

Latvala is in the same team with the same car.Could you measure the ss wins from Jari/Mikko this year for me?
Don t confuse Loeb with Mikko,the one is 7 times world champion and the other can t win a single ss while without problems.Not so fair for Mikko.
I haven t got something against Mikko,and i am not a Loeb fan,but we have to accept the ''facts''
29th May 2011, 18:36
Hartusvuori

According to MTV3.fi, Rally Argentina's jury is talking about the Citroen drivers' making a shortcut on Friday's SS7. Loeb, Ogier and Solberg drove one part of the stage differently than it was marked in the roadbook and thus gained few seconds advantage. As far as I understand it was in the tarmac section where they went past a circle junction from different side than it was marked. Any news about this among forum members?
29th May 2011, 18:39
GigiGalliNo1

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...

But you can give McRae a Skoda and see where it goes! Loeb a Fiesta he will do well in. It's not the car it's Loeb! ;)
29th May 2011, 18:39
uranium

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Originally Posted by dimviii

but we have to accept the ''facts''

So, accept please, that Hirvonen is the second so far and 13 point behind Loeb only. Where are Ogier and Latvala?
29th May 2011, 18:44
uranium

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

But you can give McRae a Skoda and see where it goes!

What do you mean?
29th May 2011, 18:51
Rallyper

So what do you want to see then, Dimviii? A championship with only one on the startline? Mr Loeb?

No one else should bather?

Come on! This is a championship a we have an outstanding driver, yes, but still we have at least 5 or six driver capable of winning every race depending on what happens to cars etz.
29th May 2011, 18:53
dimviii

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

So, accept please, that Hirvonen is the second so far and 13 point behind Loeb only. Where are Ogier and Latvala?

of course i accept that is second.Will you accept that he is not going to be champion?
To be fair is second cause of others problems,and not in terms of speed.In terms of speed is the slowest among the 4 works drivers.This is a fact too.
29th May 2011, 18:57
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

So what do you want to see then, Dimviii? A championship with only one on the startline? Mr Loeb?

No one else should bather?

Come on! This is a championship a we have an outstanding driver, yes, but still we have at least 5 or six driver capable of winning every race depending on what happens to cars etz.

i am afraid that you didnt undertant me.Of course i dont want to see only one man show,i am not crazy!
But i can t listen easy conclusions for Loeb even for Mikko.
I genuinly would like Mikko could manage more than now.A 4 way battle would be marvellous for all.
29th May 2011, 18:59
uranium

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Originally Posted by dimviii

of course i accept that is second.Will you accept that he is not going to be champion?
To be fair is second cause of others problems,and not in terms of speed.In terms of speed is the slowest among the 4 works drivers.This is a fact too.

As for championship we will see at the end of year. The fastest != the first. As I said a lot of factors affect rally.
To cut from himself one second is very difficult. Because 1.0 second - you are first, 1.1 sec - crash.
29th May 2011, 19:12
dimviii

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

As for championship we will see at the end of year. The fastest != the first. As I said a lot of factors affect rally.
To cut from himself one second is very difficult. Because 1.0 second - you are first, 1.1 sec - crash.

OK lets wait till last championship ss, to see who is right.
29th May 2011, 19:16
tfp

Loeb and ctiroen (against only one manufacturer) is a winning formula, it has been for many years. I'd have loads more respect for him if he left the sport he conquered, and joined F1. But(I think) he was frightened of being beaten. So he stays in a motorsport that he knows he can win.
29th May 2011, 19:46
bluuford

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

According to MTV3.fi, Rally Argentina's jury is talking about the Citroen drivers' making a shortcut on Friday's SS7. Loeb, Ogier and Solberg drove one part of the stage differently than it was marked in the roadbook and thus gained few seconds advantage. As far as I understand it was in the tarmac section where they went past a circle junction from different side than it was marked. Any news about this among forum members?

I can tell you that Morrie Chandler himself is the Chairman of the stewards in Argentina (Patric Suberville and Carlos Garcia Remohi are the other stewards).

And for similar thing (not following the road book), Nasser got 5 minute penalty in Greece in 2006.
It was Article 8.1.1. Basically he went straight in one place, he decided not to reverse and continue slowly (was afraid of car behind in the dust) until back on the road.

It probably happened between split 6 and 7:
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rall...mes/?stageno=7 Suddenly Ogier, Loeb and Solberg were faster than Latvala (they were slower before and slower after - except Loeb who was little bit faster later as well)

I have seen such things happening in Germany and in many other places, without penalty, so. consistency on that point is not clear.

Edit: Ok, bit from the current rules:
14.2 ROAD BOOK
All the crews will receive a road book containing a detailed description of the itinerary. This itinerary and
the road direction diagrams must be followed. Any deviation will be reported to the stewards.
29th May 2011, 19:49
dimviii

Ogier roll
http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/...ss16/?vid=2160
29th May 2011, 19:52
HarriK

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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza

So you think that Matthew Wilson is pretty fast as he was more than once in the top 5 this year too?

look championship table and remember also that rally was at the beginning also the reliability race...
29th May 2011, 20:00
BleAivano

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Originally Posted by tfp

Loeb and ctiroen (against only one manufacturer) is a winning formula, it has been for many years. I'd have loads more respect for him if he left the sport he conquered, and joined F1. But(I think) he was frightened of being beaten. So he stays in a motorsport that he knows he can win.

Loeb was not approved of by the FIA to receive the nessesary superlicense which is required to drive in F1 due to lack of racing experience. see this link:
http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/vi...p_on_F1_dream/ it has nothing to do with being afraid of loosing.

I also think Loeb wanted to show that he could equally as fast with the new cars as well as with the old ones. And if he would take the title this year too (quite likely) then he would be the last winner
of the old WRC Cars and the first winner with the new 1,6T cars. I think that would be motivation enough for a final season in the WRC before moving on to GT Racing.
29th May 2011, 20:44
Miika

If you´d put this kind of Easter eggs on Loeb´s route as well then even he would be stoppable:

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urh...max555x555.jpg
29th May 2011, 20:57
uranium

I have doubts this stone was on the road unintentionally...
Interesting to see same place from the second car onboard...
29th May 2011, 20:59
Hartusvuori

Mikko Hirvonen was 0.057s faster than Loeb on Power Stage.

http://200.58.126.155/wp-content/upl...OWER-STAGE.pdf
29th May 2011, 21:00
dimviii

You mean that for 6 years somebody put stones on the road except Loeb, in Argentina?
Get real guys....
29th May 2011, 21:03
uranium

The stone is real. Next car was Solberg's. I'd like to see stage 13 from Solverg car.
29th May 2011, 21:06
Hartusvuori

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

The stone is real. Next car was Solberg's. I'd like to see stage 13 from Solverg car.

After the impact the stone hardly remained placed in the middle of the road. Back in 2009 at Rally Finland's shakedown Hirvonen rolled a similar sized stone right next to my feet - but he wasn't first on the road. Tough luck for JML.
29th May 2011, 21:13
Hartusvuori

MTV3.fi continues on the Citroen's making a shortcut on SS7. Apparently all drivers signed a similar contract before recce that the place would be driven on the right side of the traffic divider, not left. It've been calculated from the in-car's that Citroen's gained some 4 secs by taking the left side.

It sounds rather odd that driver's are making agreements on top of what roadbook says. And if it was meant to be driven from the right side of the divider, why left side wasn't blocked by anything? Safety issue?
29th May 2011, 21:17
Hartusvuori

There was no success to Finns at Finish ceremony either: first JML got bit off-track and got stuck on the ramp. Then organisers used wrong Finnish flag (one for govermental use etc.) for Hirvonen and on top of it all,the wrong flag was even upside down!
29th May 2011, 21:22
Barreis

Hahah, lowlife.
29th May 2011, 21:26
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

MTV3.fi continues on the Citroen's making a shortcut on SS7. Apparently all drivers signed a similar contract before recce that the place would be driven on the right side of the traffic divider, not left. It've been calculated from the in-car's that Citroen's gained some 4 secs by taking the left side.

It sounds rather odd that driver's are making agreements on top of what roadbook says. And if it was meant to be driven from the right side of the divider, why left side wasn't blocked by anything? Safety issue?

And what has it got to do with MTV3.fi......??? What team/driver are they representing? Haven't they done something like this before? Extremely small time behaviour.
29th May 2011, 21:29
Hartusvuori

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

And what has it got to do with MTV3.fi......???

Well, as far as I know they have their accrediated journalist present. Between rallies their articles are worthless, but on rallies they might have something to tell the others doesn't. Sorry if it offends you anyway.
29th May 2011, 21:42
A.F.F.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Hahah, lowlife.

?
29th May 2011, 21:43
Barreis

MTV3.fi
29th May 2011, 21:54
ARF

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

And what has it got to do with MTV3.fi......??? What team/driver are they representing? Haven't they done something like this before? Extremely small time behaviour.

A protest has been made regarding SS7. Take a look at the bottom of the provisional final results sheet. mtv3 just writes the news.
29th May 2011, 21:54
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

Well, as far as I know they have their accrediated journalist present. Between rallies their articles are worthless, but on rallies they might have something to tell the others doesn't. Sorry if it offends you anyway.

No, it doesn't offend me - it just seems they're the only ones making noises about it.......would they be as concerned if there were no Finns taking part?
29th May 2011, 22:18
Juha_Koo

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

No, it doesn't offend me - it just seems they're the only ones making noises about it.......would they be as concerned if there were no Finns taking part?

Maybe not but I don't really care. Media is a good watch dog. MTV3 was the main reason behind Loeb's penalty back in Sardinia because the ultra-fast tyre change wasn't done by the book and it was MTV3's TV-personel that noticed Elena being without safety belts.
29th May 2011, 22:20
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

No, it doesn't offend me - it just seems they're the only ones making noises about it.......would they be as concerned if there were no Finns taking part?

Don't think they would have a reporter down there if there were no Finns taking part...

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