Schumacher !!! Should he call it quits

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13th June 2011, 10:22
MrJan

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

LOL This has to be one of the funniest and incredibly uninformed posts I've ever read.

One thing you will soon realise with this forum is that, in nearly all cases, Roamy (aka Fousto) is wrong :D
13th June 2011, 10:34
Mark

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

One thing you will soon realise with this forum is that, in nearly all cases, Roamy (aka Fousto) is wrong :D

Except in this instance ;)
13th June 2011, 10:55
MrJan

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Originally Posted by Mark

Except in this instance ;)

So I'm not allowed to say that Ryan Giggs was alledgedly knobbing Imogen Thomas, but you are happy to bodly make the accusation that "MS cheated his way to 7 championships"? :D Double standards if you ask me :p :
13th June 2011, 10:56
Mark

:laugh: No of course he didn't cheat. But the argument that another driver could have won the championship in the Ferrari from 2000-2005 has some merit.
13th June 2011, 11:04
MrJan

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Originally Posted by Mark

:laugh: No of course he didn't cheat. But the argument that another driver could have won the championship in the Ferrari from 2000-2005 has some merit.

Yeah but saying Damon Hill could've won is a bit too far.....for a start Rubens would've beaten him ;)
13th June 2011, 11:49
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by Roamy

you know all this horsesh!t - rainmiester - greatest ever - bla bla bla - MS cheated his way to 7 championships - if you guys are too dumb to understand
this then I feel for you. MS is a very good pilot but not in the class that some of you would like to put him in. Think of it this way Damon Hill could have had
the same record had he driven for Ferrari during the same era as MS

Nurse, you forgot to give Fousto his medication this evening :p :
13th June 2011, 11:51
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

So I'm not allowed to say that Ryan Giggs was alledgedly knobbing Imogen Thomas, but you are happy to bodly make the accusation that "MS cheated his way to 7 championships"? :D Double standards if you ask me :p :

Yes he cheated. As Bernie mentioned in his book, " they all cheat in F1, just the stupid ones get caught!"
13th June 2011, 12:38
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by Mark

:laugh: No of course he didn't cheat. But the argument that another driver could have won the championship in the Ferrari from 2000-2005 has some merit.

I'm sure one could argue that with regards many drivers championships. Plenty of drivers could have won in the 1998 and 1999 McLaren, or the 92, 96 Williams, 1988-1989 McLaren etc

In fact, for every championship Ayrton had I could say definitely that had you put another driver in the car they could have won it. Does that then devalue his championships? Nope. Likewise it doesn't devalue Schumacher's either.
13th June 2011, 16:55
Whyzars

Button might also like to get down on his knee's to whoever decided to activate the DRS. Without the abomination that is the DRS, Schumacher may have held on to at least one of the podium places but with it, he was absolutely no chance. Button may not have worked his way from last to first without the abomination that is the DRS either.

The abomination that is the DRS may give us lots of overtaking, Yay, but it removes any chance of a slower car defending against a faster car which is the circumstance that provides truly great racing

Now, can we finally get rid of this pox on F1 once and for all.
13th June 2011, 16:59
ioan

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Originally Posted by Roamy

No but after today he should suck Button's dick :)

Did that help JV in the past?
13th June 2011, 17:02
ioan

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Originally Posted by Mark

:laugh: No of course he didn't cheat. But the argument that another driver could have won the championship in the Ferrari from 2000-2005 has some merit.

Sure, sure, that's why Rubens didn't.
13th June 2011, 17:02
ioan

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I'm sure one could argue that with regards many drivers championships. Plenty of drivers could have won in the 1998 and 1999 McLaren, or the 92, 96 Williams, 1988-1989 McLaren etc

In fact, for every championship Ayrton had I could say definitely that had you put another driver in the car they could have won it. Does that then devalue his championships? Nope. Likewise it doesn't devalue Schumacher's either.

:up:
13th June 2011, 17:03
ioan

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Originally Posted by Whyzars

Button might also like to get down on his knee's to whoever decided to activate the DRS. Without the abomination that is the DRS, Schumacher may have held on to at least one of the podium places but with it, he was absolutely no chance. Button may not have worked his way from last to first without the abomination that is the DRS either.

The abomination that is the DRS may give us lots of overtaking, Yay, but it removes any chance of a slower car defending against a faster car which is the circumstance that provides truly great racing

Now, can we finally get rid of this pox on F1 once and for all.

No way they will remove DRS it's been voted to stay beyond 2013. :\
13th June 2011, 17:36
i_max2k2

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http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by The Black Knight http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...post-right.png
I'm sure one could argue that with regards many drivers championships. Plenty of drivers could have won in the 1998 and 1999 McLaren, or the 92, 96 Williams, 1988-1989 McLaren etc

In fact, for every championship Ayrton had I could say definitely that had you put another driver in the car they could have won it. Does that then devalue his championships? Nope. Likewise it doesn't devalue Schumacher's either.
:up:

And we can add 2009, and 2010 to those championships as well, and if Red Bull, er Vettel goes on to win this years championship as well.
13th June 2011, 17:44
pino

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Originally Posted by Daniel

50% of people voting in the poll are idiots.

:wave: Thanks :D
13th June 2011, 18:41
Garry Walker

Not bad for a pensioneer.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

In fact, for every championship Ayrton had I could say definitely that had you put another driver in the car they could have won it.

McLaren wasnt even the best car in 1990 or 1991 so how could another driver have won it? Berger was a good driver, but he didnt win (he was at least as good as Mansell)

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Originally Posted by ioan

No way they will remove DRS it's been voted to stay beyond 2013. :\

I hope you are joking?
13th June 2011, 18:53
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Not bad for a pensioneer.

McLaren wasnt even the best car in 1990 or 1991 so how could another driver have won it? Berger was a good driver, but he didnt win (he was at least as good as Mansell)

I hope you are joking?

2000 Ferrari wasn't even the best car either so how could another driver have won it?

Apply your answer to above post.
13th June 2011, 19:02
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

2000 Ferrari wasn't even the best car either so how could another driver have won it?

Apply your answer to above post.

You answer it.
13th June 2011, 19:08
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

You answer it.

I just did.
13th June 2011, 20:32
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by pino

:wave: Thanks :D

No bother - 42.651% of all statistics are made up! ;)
14th June 2011, 00:00
steveaki13

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No bother - 42.651% of all statistics are made up! ;)

:p : But only 291.4% of people believe that.
14th June 2011, 13:35
555-04Q2

For once the majority are right :D 70 plays 68.
14th June 2011, 13:59
555-04Q2

71 plays 68 :)
15th June 2011, 03:38
airshifter

I voted a few weeks back finally and said no he should not retire. If he is still enjoying it and he has a team that wants him, he should stay in it.

I was glad to see him do well in Canada and it's a shame he didn't get on the podium. And though some people will say this proves he still has it, he is beating Rosberg, etc, consider this.

With his excellent race in Canada he is 1 point ahead of Kobayashi.
15th June 2011, 16:48
woody2goody

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I voted a few weeks back finally and said no he should not retire. If he is still enjoying it and he has a team that wants him, he should stay in it.

I was glad to see him do well in Canada and it's a shame he didn't get on the podium. And though some people will say this proves he still has it, he is beating Rosberg, etc, consider this.

With his excellent race in Canada he is 1 point ahead of Kobayashi.

That might say more about Kobayashi than Schumi.
15th June 2011, 18:03
ioan

Looks like Mercedes want him to stay, and there is even a chance that there will be a contract extension:

autosport.com - F1 News: Haug hails Schumacher's performance

Fousto's nightmares continue! :D
15th June 2011, 18:22
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

Looks like Mercedes want him to stay, and there is even a chance that there will be a contract extension:

autosport.com - F1 News: Haug hails Schumacher's performance

I do find Mercedes' attitude towards Schumacher curious. The desperation to defend him goes beyond anything I can recall. One good performance and suddenly he is Mercedes' man for years to come, apparently, as though no other drivers of calibre will materialise during that time. And, as much as I have always had much time for Norbert Haug, his comment that Schumacher's race in Canada was him 'at his best' is quite laughable. He drove very well, certainly, but by the standards of his comeback, not his best during his years of dominance.
15th June 2011, 18:30
steveaki13

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fousto's nightmares continue! :D

:laugh:
15th June 2011, 19:17
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I do find Mercedes' attitude towards Schumacher curious. The desperation to defend him goes beyond anything I can recall. One good performance and suddenly he is Mercedes' man for years to come, apparently, as though no other drivers of calibre will materialise during that time. And, as much as I have always had much time for Norbert Haug, his comment that Schumacher's race in Canada was him 'at his best' is quite laughable. He drove very well, certainly, but by the standards of his comeback, not his best during his years of dominance.

12th to 2nd withing a dozen of laps in wet conditions, then defending in the dry against DRS enhanced competitors with better cars on a track with 2 DRS zones one of them very very long in a dog of a car it's great performance and Haug knows it well.
15th June 2011, 19:18
Daniel

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Originally Posted by ioan

12th to 2nd withing a dozen of laps in wet conditions, then defending in the dry against DRS enhanced competitors with better cars on a track with 2 DRS zones one of them very very long in a dog of a car it's great performance and Haug knows it well.

I think what ben is saying is that the Schuey of old would have won.
15th June 2011, 19:23
ioan

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I think what ben is saying is that the Schuey of old would have won.

Impossible, you can not defend against cars that are 1 second a lap faster anyway and also have DRS advantage for almost 1 km/lap. You all know I would have loved it to see him do it, but I knew it that it will not be possible, still great driving from MS, he gave his team some hopes for the future.
15th June 2011, 19:28
steveaki13

One thing that showed Schumacher is still complete with his race brain was after the last restart. On all 3 or 4 previous restarts everyone fell miles behind Vettel and were left for dead.

On the last one, Michael stayed right with Vettel and went down the outside. He got that just right.
15th June 2011, 19:29
Daniel

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Originally Posted by ioan

Impossible, you can not defend against cars that are 1 second a lap faster anyway and also have DRS advantage for almost 1 km/lap. You all know I would have loved it to see him do it, but I knew it that it will not be possible, still great driving from MS, he gave his team some hopes for the future.

Personally I think back in the day Schuey would have won. Just my opinion Ioan :)
15th June 2011, 19:31
ioan

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Originally Posted by aki13

One thing that showed Schumacher is still complete with his race brain was after the last restart. On all 3 or 4 previous restarts everyone fell miles behind Vettel and were left for dead.

On the last one, Michael stayed right with Vettel and went down the outside. He got that just right.

There's a reason why they always feared him when they saw the Ferrari in their mirrors! ;)
15th June 2011, 19:31
ioan

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Personally I think back in the day Schuey would have won. Just my opinion Ioan :)

Sure in the days when there was no DRS.
15th June 2011, 19:36
steveaki13

I don't think when DRS was activated, that Michael had a chance of finishing anywhere other than 4th. DRS made Button and Webber almost certain to pass.
15th June 2011, 19:45
DexDexter

I found myself cheering for Michael in Canada and during his first career I couldn't stand him. Weird, ain't it? I wonder if anybody else feels the same?
15th June 2011, 19:57
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

I found myself doing the same thing. It would have been great to have had him on the podium with Jenson and Seb. :)

I was reeeeeeally annoyed when I realised he wouldn't be on the podium. You could see it in Michael's eyes too, he was bloody sad.
15th June 2011, 20:06
i_max2k2

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http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by aki13 http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...post-right.png
One thing that showed Schumacher is still complete with his race brain was after the last restart. On all 3 or 4 previous restarts everyone fell miles behind Vettel and were left for dead.

On the last one, Michael stayed right with Vettel and went down the outside. He got that just right.

I think he was the only one who actually came close to overtaking, vettel, if he was in a car which was not as slow, he perhaps could have done it.

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So whats happened to Schuey? We're repeatedly told by the team and his fans that he is as fit as he ever was and his age is not a factor. Back in the day we were used to him being able to outdrive a car and drag it beyond where it deserved to be, yet he's struggled for one and a half seasons? His drive in Canada was mighty impressive and was the best since his comeback IMO, but not every race is going to be wet from now on. Rosberg has shown the pace of the car in the dry and its DRS is possibly the best on the grid. Why is Michael unable to take advantage of these factors? Tyres can't be an issue because he's changed tyre manufacturers more times than half the grid have had hot dinners. He's had over a year to develop his current car so whats missing, Rory Byrne? I hope he continues to improve but I had hoped he'd be mixing it up at the front abit more often by now. :)

Well do we know how quickly does a human body looses its ability to be at the maximum, in any sport, if any person, goes off for a while, it takes a while to come back to the same level, we are looking at someone who went out of F1 for 3 years, and then came back in a car which was not to his liking. So if he actually took say a year and a half to find even 60% of his old self, thats not bad at all, and we really dont know how much of a equal he is if we compare to how he was in Brazil 06. In my opinion even in Monaco, he was doing very well, perhaps now he is now getting comfortable in the car. In the past he was in a Ferrari from the time it was conceived till its very end, I mean a car year after year designed very closely to what he would like, Mercedes w01 was no where close to that, but he was still competitive in it, he was still very close to rosbergs times. I think he is more comfortable with this car, and I dont think Nico was doing as well as Michael in Canada or Monaco at any stage. I dont think we are being fair in comparing him with his old performances, when he was in competitive racing since a child.
15th June 2011, 21:43
schumacher7championships

this year schumi is better because of one simple reason.mercedes is better

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